Civil War Begins? ASHER Roth throws Shots at EMINEM

[SmiffNWessun]

http://www.suprememag.com/2009/?p=1698



:weirdo: and so it begins

[MRc.]

What? he's right.

[SmiffNWessun]

What? he's right.


he has no credibility to criticize eminem.

[Aje]

he has no credibility to criticize eminem.he's certainly entitled to his opinion, no?

[SmiffNWessun]

he's certainly entitled to his opinion, no?


nope, that's like some rookie comin in the league and criticizin Kobe's shot selection.

[jayshiggs]

he's certainly entitled to his opinion, no?
Yeah, but why voice it in an interview? If yer not gonna spit a hot 16 at dude keep it to yerself.

[ChristianBail]

What? he's right.
co-sign.

Eminem still isn't spitting what he is capable of. He went from standing toe to toe with Jay to this sh1t.

[MRc.]

he has no credibility to criticize eminem.

He's allowed an opinion.

If he's not allowed because he's new in the game, then we might aswell just close SOHH down because 99% have less than him.

Atleast he didn't lie and say it's the best thing ever

[watchman]

he has no credibility to criticize eminem.

U need credibility to to be real about something? Please, that is truth, any no name bum on the streets would say the same.

[MRc.]

Yeah, but why voice it in an interview? If yer not gonna spit a hot 16 at dude keep it to yerself.

It was hardly a diss:sadcam:

it's not like he just said it outta nowhere, the interviewer asked him, he told the truth of what he thought.

[jayshiggs]

He's allowed an opinion.

If he's not allowed because he's new in the game, then we might aswell just close SOHH down because 99% have less than him.

Atleast he didn't lie and say it's the best thing ever

No, he's allowed but don't he can't be mad if Em takes a dump on his face lyrically.

[jayshiggs]

It was hardly a diss:sadcam:

it's not like he just said it outta nowhere, the interviewer asked him, he told the truth of what he thought.
The media is not his friend. You don't have to be honest. Give a cliche answer and keep it moving. The media is just starting trouble in this case.

[The Ill Mechanism]

No, he's allowed but don't he can't be mad if Em takes a dump on his face lyrically.

that's probably whut his peoples want. he's got a joint that just missed top 10, a new song & video gettin' pushed right now & an album comin' out. em assassinatin' him before asher's album comin' out would be an a&r coup

[jayshiggs]

I dunno, he was asked.

think about why. Was interviewer honestly trying to get Ash's opinion or to bait him into sayign something that could be perceived as negative? Everyone knows what the consensus is on Em's new single.

[gator_king]

Oh sh!t!!!! Asher just gained some respect from me..This would be like Papoose dissing Nas before he even drops a solo... Dude has some cajones for that. For a college white boy this = "going in"

[hustlemania]

The media is not his friend. You don't have to be honest. Give a cliche answer and keep it moving. The media is just starting trouble in this case.
the medias is no ones "friend.."

i think he answered a question honestly.. he, nor anyone, dont "have to" like Em, any rapper.. or their material.

[watchman]

No, he's allowed but don't he can't be mad if Em takes a dump on his face lyrically.

...And why would that matter at this point in time? It would be a win/ win for the dude Ash.

[jayshiggs]

that's probably whut his peoples want. he's got a joint that just missed top 10, a new song & video gettin' pushed right now & an album comin' out. em assassinatin' him before asher's album comin' out would be an a&r coup
I'm just saying since the internet came out people really think their opinion on any and everything is actually important. It's not, who cares what Ash thinks about Em's single?
Plus they are both MCs I'm sick of the youtube/interview way of settling shyt between MCs. Pick up the mic, otherwise I don't respect it. That's just me, I think beef has just gone the corniest route possible in recent years.

[jayshiggs]

Good point though I wonder if Asher understands how this all works. That interview doesn't reach as many people with out the "shots" right?
Yeah, exactly dude is trying to get a controversial story off dude's back. I usually am about honesty, but the press does more harm then good nowadays. Why tell them the truth just so they can twist shyt to sell the most mag/hits on their website?

[jayshiggs]

the medias is no ones "friend.."
i think he answered a question honestly.. he, nor anyone, dont "have to" like Em, any rapper.. or their material.
OK, just saying it's a slippery slope. He don't want it with dude I'm sure. But if Em decides to feel slighted and says something clever about dude, boom his back is against the wall just for being honest in a meaningless interview.

[jayshiggs]

...And why would that matter at this point in time? It would be a win/ win for the dude Ash.
would it? Don't be so sure. What if it escalates and em better yet J. Iovine gets seriously involved. Fukk around and get blackballed just for expressing an unimportant opinion. Ask Ali Vegas. lol

[DJ TEKNIK]

he has no credibility to criticize eminem.


but that track is trash thou

[SmiffNWessun]

Good point though I wonder if Asher understands how this all works. That interview doesn't reach as many people with out the "shots" right?


u do realize it was a "FAN" chat, so it was fans across the country asking him stuff. not a real interviewer

[NotSoft]

think about why. Was interviewer honestly trying to get Ash's opinion or to bait him into sayign something that could be perceived as negative? Everyone knows what the consensus is on Em's new single.


most eminem stans think its great...Asther kept it real,im ridin wit roth

[The Ill Mechanism]

I'm just saying since the internet came out people really think their opinion on any and everything is actually important. It's not, who cares what Ash thinks about Em's single?
Plus they are both MCs I'm sick of the youtube/interview way of settling shyt between MCs. Pick up the mic, otherwise I don't respect it. That's just me, I think beef has just gone the corniest route possible in recent years.

I'm pretty sure most people don't respect it, but it's the environment that we've been in now for almost a decade. I'm sure that his handlers knew that there'd be an eminem question & they'll probably be an eminem question every time son gives an interview. I wouldn't doubt that he was told to say somethin' controversial to increase his buzz.

[hustlemania]

OK, just saying it's a slippery slope. He don't want it with dude I'm sure. But if Em decides to feel slighted and says something clever about dude, boom his back is against the wall just for being honest in a meaningless interview.
i dont think he honestly said anything to warrant a "outbreak.."(persay)

he voiced his opinion, on someone who i(and anyone with half a brain) would assume he respects- new material... and. youre correct. it was a "slippery slope..". but if he said he liked it.. people would say he was "kissing Ems ass..."

furthermore... Em battles hand puppets, and pop stars. this cat is off Ems radar.. lol

[jayshiggs]

I'm pretty sure most people don't respect it, but it's the environment that we've been in now for almost a decade. I'm sure that his handlers knew that there'd be an eminem question & they'll probably be an eminem question every time son gives an interview. I wouldn't doubt that he was told to say somethin' controversial to increase his buzz.

Most people do a lot of things, doesn't mean it should be accepted.
Fine, if he wanted buzz off of dissing dude. We'll see how it turns out, it's not a long range view either. Short sighted straegy.
MCs got it twisted, beef is the last thing you need. It is just unnecessary pressure on an already fragile career.
Think about all the beefs ever in Hip Hop. It is better to look reluctant in entering then to be all gung ho. Peep: Nas actually started the lyrical beef with Jigga but he knew it was better to look like the defender then the attacker in order to win. He spit so many subs at dude before Jigga took it from the subliminal tip to calling out names. and when that happened it looked like Nas was the victim instead of the aggressor. Art of War baby.

[FuriousStyles1]

Did Em ever get back to Evidence, Raka and Babu?
[intro: rakaa iriscience]
Yo.. it's like this man
Every once in a while when mother****ers pop off at the lip
Somebody get brought into this ****
That don't have nuttin to do with this **** right?
But none the less
You wanna start lettin off buckshots, cats gotta retaliate
Y'all callin out ev? well you got him

[evidence]
Yo, a blonde *** took my kindness for a weakness
But instead of comin hard threw a weak diss
Twelve of his friends at first I was speechless
Is it cause you lack ***** or lack uniqueness?
It's always your type, itchy and quick to bust off
Ruin the party, "soliloquy of chaos"
In this verse, jumpin jacks a little warm up
There'll be no bull****, there'll be no hit chorus
Diss my crew? yo, you won't go far
The truth is I'm about as much from detroit as you are
I'm rackin up points, **** cat I'm scorin
You ain't a true tiger, liar, you from warren
A trailer trash town where daddy stuck it to ya
That's why you hate your mother cause she never tried to stop it
Twenty years later you're still out of luck
I met this chick you took home on tour, but couldn't get it up
Alert! alert! you internet geeks
Eminem is just like you, weak between the sheets
Dr. evil, tryin to steal my mojo
I'll **** you up, plus look better in photos
I know what it is, you envy what you hate
I'm what you used to be, you was me in ninety-eight
Hungry for props, and ready to rock
Except your stage show is so weak you always just ready to rot
**** your pace walkin forth at best
(at) that rate on tour dates, hope you never run out of breath
It's such a shame your uncle ronnie's not listed
I'm a geek? you jock fred from limp bizkit
Production time; I heard you're makin beats
But don't program the drums, don't program the keys
Don't program the bass, producer? liar!
Doin that ****'s like hirin a ghostwriter
You might as well you little fake chino xl
You're target practice - strictly blast these empty shells
{*crowd roar*} it's an upset, you lose the title!
But first lose the haircut, you're bitin george michael
Next topic, time to stick the knife in
Slaughter your {daughter}, ah **** it throw your wife in
I'ma do 'em, do 'em 'til nothin left
The way I'm murderin you now they probably avenge your death
You blind *****, I'm about to rub it in
Go sell millions of records, you still don't own your publishin
You ain't hip-hop, you pop; extra popular to little girls,
Kids, and the trenchcoat mafia
So here it comes, a blast from my crew
You bout to get chopped by a man named babu
The funniest part? let me say this 'fore I'm through
I haven't even begun to start, I saved the best for part two

{*babu cuts and scratches these samples*}

******, no comp rapper on a quest" -> ll cool j
***** shut the **** up!" -> eazy-e
if you take offense **** it, got to be that way" -> krs-one
thought I oughta tell you, better yet warn" -> mc lyte
suckers get eliminated ****in with dilated" -> cypress hill
nevertheless, I'll say it again" -> slick rick(? )
*****!" -> n.w.a.
soundclash with us, you flirt with disaster" -> dilated

[watchman]

would it? Don't be so sure. What if it escalates and em better yet J. Iovine gets seriously involved. Fukk around and get blackballed just for expressing an unimportant opinion. Ask Ali Vegas. lol

If it got political like that then Ash still wins in life for being real and Em loses for being mad at the truth so he gets his suit bully's to take food off the next mans plate. Em would die with a guilty conscious knowing Asher was right. Lol.

Like I said, win/ win.

[jayshiggs]

i dont think he honestly said anything to warrant a "outbreak.."(persay)
he voiced his opinion, on someone who i(and anyone with half a brain) would assume he respects- new material... and. youre correct. it was a "slippery slope..". but if he said he liked it.. people would say he was "kissing Ems ass..."
furthermore... Em battles hand puppets, and pop stars. this cat is off Ems radar.. lol
Em battles guys he knows he can take out. He did battle some MCs, he just ducked the ones who might put up a fight. Which category do you think Asher Roth is in? lol
And yer right just saying you don't like a single should not warrant a response, but we are in the hypersensitive era where stuff like this can escalate. What started Ricky vs 50, a fukkin' glance! These are actual words. lol

[jayshiggs]

If it got political like that then Ash still wins in life for being real and Em loses for being mad at the truth so he gets his suit bully's to take food off the next mans plate. Em would die with a guilty conscious knowing Asher was right. Lol.
Like I said, win/ win.
Wow you got existential on it. Props.
I do agree, but in the here and now Ash would regret it if it caused him to be blackballed.

[jayshiggs]

Did Em ever get back to Evidence, Raka and Babu?
[intro: rakaa iriscience]
Yo.. it's like this man
Every once in a while when mother****ers pop off at the lip
Somebody get brought into this ****
That don't have nuttin to do with this **** right?
But none the less
You wanna start lettin off buckshots, cats gotta retaliate
Y'all callin out ev? well you got him
[evidence]
Yo, a blonde *** took my kindness for a weakness
But instead of comin hard threw a weak diss
Twelve of his friends at first I was speechless
Is it cause you lack ***** or lack uniqueness?
It's always your type, itchy and quick to bust off
Ruin the party, "soliloquy of chaos"
In this verse, jumpin jacks a little warm up
There'll be no bull****, there'll be no hit chorus
Diss my crew? yo, you won't go far
The truth is I'm about as much from detroit as you are
I'm rackin up points, **** cat I'm scorin
You ain't a true tiger, liar, you from warren
A trailer trash town where daddy stuck it to ya
That's why you hate your mother cause she never tried to stop it
Twenty years later you're still out of luck
I met this chick you took home on tour, but couldn't get it up
Alert! alert! you internet geeks
Eminem is just like you, weak between the sheets
Dr. evil, tryin to steal my mojo
I'll **** you up, plus look better in photos
I know what it is, you envy what you hate
I'm what you used to be, you was me in ninety-eight
Hungry for props, and ready to rock
Except your stage show is so weak you always just ready to rot
**** your pace walkin forth at best
(at) that rate on tour dates, hope you never run out of breath
It's such a shame your uncle ronnie's not listed
I'm a geek? you jock fred from limp bizkit
Production time; I heard you're makin beats
But don't program the drums, don't program the keys
Don't program the bass, producer? liar!
Doin that ****'s like hirin a ghostwriter
You might as well you little fake chino xl
You're target practice - strictly blast these empty shells
{*crowd roar*} it's an upset, you lose the title!
But first lose the haircut, you're bitin george michael
Next topic, time to stick the knife in
Slaughter your {daughter}, ah **** it throw your wife in
I'ma do 'em, do 'em 'til nothin left
The way I'm murderin you now they probably avenge your death
You blind *****, I'm about to rub it in
Go sell millions of records, you still don't own your publishin
You ain't hip-hop, you pop; extra popular to little girls,
Kids, and the trenchcoat mafia
So here it comes, a blast from my crew
You bout to get chopped by a man named babu
The funniest part? let me say this 'fore I'm through
I haven't even begun to start, I saved the best for part two
{*babu cuts and scratches these samples*}
******, no comp rapper on a quest" -> ll cool j
***** shut the **** up!" -> eazy-e
if you take offense **** it, got to be that way" -> krs-one
thought I oughta tell you, better yet warn" -> mc lyte
suckers get eliminated ****in with dilated" -> cypress hill
nevertheless, I'll say it again" -> slick rick(? )
*****!" -> n.w.a.
soundclash with us, you flirt with disaster" -> dilated
No, Ev served him viciously to.

[TightPantsR4Gals]

unbelievable this white kid gets this type of exposure just off the stregthn...

and yall just flowin with it

smh

[watchman]

Ash would regret it if it caused him to be blackballed.

Agree.

He's still right though.

[jayshiggs]

Even though Asher's opinion is right and hes entitled to it, doesn't mean that Eminem wouldn't cry about it. He could easily get blackballed or dissed over this. Eminem went off on Christina Agulera for saying ONE thing about him on a MTV special she did.

That's why rappers get pissed at bloggers and people on message boards. We can say whatever we want, a lot of the times its true, and they can't do anything about it. If it was an MC, radio personality, DJ, etc...they can start a 'beef' or do behind the scenes bs. Doesn't really work on the internet like that.
MCs actually can get at us but it makes them look really bad. Cormega what up?!

[hustlemania]

Em battles guys he knows he can take out. He did battle some MCs, he just ducked the ones who might put up a fight. Which category do you think Asher Roth is in? lol
seriously tho, Shiggs.. who was the last MC Em battled..? Ja? or Benzino? either way.. both them dudes is garbage emcees, and he had a difficult time taking on them two.. plus. Em isnt the same Em, as before.

i think Em(post 02/03), and Asher are garbage.. watching these two battle would be nothing short of second hand embarrassment..

And yer right just saying you don't like a single should not warrant a response, but we are in the hypersensitive era where stuff like this can escalate. What started Ricky vs 50, a fukkin' glance! These are actual words. lol
actually.. the Ross/50 beef started over 50 telling Ross "stay away form that fat piece of ****(Fat Joe)... and, then a few months later- 50 dissing the South, as a collective..

anyhow.. id find it funny if Em/"Mr. I Dont Give a Fukk.."(outta all people), would get sensitive over criticism.. any 34yr old man, who still makes parody videos, should be open for criticism.. dudes literally turning into the Weird Al Yankovich, of hip-hop, and no ones supposed to say nothing.. sh!ts hilarious

[nalej]

even Em knows his first single is trash.

[gator_king]

lol I just noticed the thread title. What makes this a "civil" war?

[jayshiggs]

seriously tho, Shiggs.. who was the last MC Em battled..? Ja? or Benzino? either way.. both them dudes is garbage emcees, and he had a difficult time taking on them two.. plus. Em isnt the same Em, as before.
i think Em(post 02/03), and Asher are garbage.. watching these two battle would be nothing short of second hand embarrassment..
actually.. the Ross/50 beef started over 50 telling Ross "stay away form that fat piece of ****(Fat Joe)... and, then a few months later- 50 dissing the South, as a collective..
anyhow.. id find it funny if Em/"Mr. I Dont Give a Fukk.."(outta all people), would get sensitive over criticism.. any 34yr old man, who still makes parody videos, should be open for criticism.. dudes literally turning into the Weird Al Yankovich, of hip-hop, and no ones supposed to say nothing.. sh!ts hilarious
I'm by no means a fan of either, just saying I think it was unneccessary. I do respect honesty, but in this case it would be even better to be mindful of the situation. It most likely won't lead to anything but if it does it is just a headache that could have been avoided.
Even if Asher calculated it, it was a dumb move. Dude is on some 50 Cent 'I'm a song writer' type steez it seems. He's not no battle type MC, why open up that can especially when yer clout is limited compared to the target? Yer pigeonholing yerself as 'that guy who had beef w/ the bigger star Eminem' for the forseeable future. It might pay off now but after awhile when the battle is over people will perceive you as someone no longer rhyming about anything interesting since you stopped dissing dude.
Em being the Weird al is getting him Weird Al type props. Anyone seriously into Hip Hop, does not take him too seriously anymore. Non rap fans who liked him in his heyday will always like him. He's their blond icon of their youth.

[hustlemania]

I'm by no means a fan of either, just saying I think it was unneccessary. I do respect honesty, but in this case it would be even better to be mindful of the situation. It most likely won't lead to anything but if it does it is just a headache that could have been avoided. Even if Asher calculated it, it was a dumb move. Dude is on some 50 Cent 'I'm a song writer' type steez it seems. He's not no battle type MC, why open up that can especially when yer clout is limited compared to the target? Yer pigeonholing yerself as 'that guy who had beef w/ the bigger star Eminem' for the forseeable future. It might pay off now but after awhile when the battle is over people will perceive you as someone no longer rhyming about anything interesting since you stopped dissing dude.
truth...

the 50 comparisons, something i never thought of.. especially considering IF they(ASher/Em) do battle.. it would be the white version of 50 vs Ja(in the whole, "when the battles over.. people will realize youre no longer rhyming abput anything interestin,g since you stopped dissing dude"...) lol

know what.. i say they "battle..". sh!t would be like the hip-hop version of Axel Rose vs. Sebastian Bach...", all over.. lol.. remember that..?

Em being the Weird al is getting him Weird Al type props. Anyone seriously into Hip Hop, does not take him too seriously anymore. Non rap fans who liked him in his heyday will always like him. He's their blond icon of their youth.
as dope as Em was.. i cant believe they(suits) magically turned this dude into hip-hops "Vanilla Ice(in more ways than another).. with a Weird Al, twist.." .. wtf kinda, "evil genius" sh!t, is that?

[The Ahmed]

Eminem and Curly lost.

[Talyban]

Eminem is a drug addict and a deranged individual and I don't think he's able even to comprehend a real open diss, let alone any "subliminal" shots anymore

Mother****er probably stuck on TMZ.com ands Twitter all day trying to find the best pop star right now to put in his rhymes and followin what's new in the gossip column.

[The Real]

F*** both of these corny cr*ckers. I can only hope this ends up like 2pac and B.I.G.

[jayshiggs]

[B]as dope as Em was.. i cant believe they(suits) magically turned this dude into hip-hops "Vanilla Ice(in more ways than another).. with a Weird Al, twist.." .. wtf kinda, "evil genius" sh!t, is that?
em played himself following Dre's lead and bytching out to Iovine whenever he asked.
One of these last 2 albums Em HAD to insist on a more mature lead single but he didn't and he is losing the hardcore Hip Hop audience.

[hustlemania]

em played himself following Dre's lead and bytching out to Iovine whenever he asked.
One of these last 2 albums Em HAD to insist on a more mature lead single but he didn't and he is losing the hardcore Hip Hop audience.
Em's BEEN lost the "hardcore hip-hop audience..". most his ("retail")fans , dont know sh!t about hip-hop.. his delusional fans- just cant grasp the fact most his material post 02/03(outside of a few tracks he jumped on), has been sub-par at best..

he's almost a easy target for corny ass rapper like Asher, to fall prey to subliminals.. ridicule.. and whatnot.. if the kid was smart.. he'd use this(and other oppurtunities) to his advantage to further his career. make dough. and get out.. which he's likely to do anyways..

[SmiffNWessun]

em played himself following Dre's lead and bytching out to Iovine whenever he asked.
One of these last 2 albums Em HAD to insist on a more mature lead single but he didn't and he is losing the hardcore Hip Hop audience.


yea he shoulda came with somethin serious...especially after the loss of proof

[jayshiggs]

On the flip side did Asher's album leak yet? I got some collection of like 20 tracks off here like a week ago but could not get past the first 5 songs. Is that the official joint?

[SmiffNWessun]

its not official shiggs

[SmiffNWessun]

On the flip side did Asher's album leak yet? I got some collection of like 20 tracks off here like a week ago but could not get past the first 5 songs. Is that the official joint?


not official

[AGE_Arson]

this thread got shut down with logic *daps MRc.*

asher still wack tho