View Full Version : How do you get that full, rich sound?
Propaganda
02-10-09, 06:47 PM
like dre for example...he could only use a few elements and his shyt always sounds so big and plush.
y'all got any good any tips/tricks?
It's gotta be the mastering process...plus sending the mix through some tube amps or whatever...
Mr.Omega
02-11-09, 04:51 AM
Yea i been trying to get that sound but probably need some type of other expensive equipment.
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 12:01 PM
One of the biggest things is the bus compression on the SSL. Obviously you probably can't afford an SSL, but SSL makes a device called duende that comes with a plugin that basically emulates this. I think there are some plugings out there that are good replicas too. Plus it all comes down to his engineers etc having 20+ years in the game, that never hurts.
Propaganda
02-11-09, 03:00 PM
hmm. i see. so it's not a matter of effects and shyt like chorusing, doubling tracks, stereo imaging, panning, etc...it's just simply more about the mastering huh. i was hoping it'd be more of a DIY thing, lol...cuz i dunno shyt about mastering.
i just want my stuff to sound thicker, ya know.
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 03:11 PM
hmm. i see. so it's not a matter of effects and shyt like chorusing, doubling tracks, stereo imaging, panning, etc...it's just simply more about the mastering huh. i was hoping it'd be more of a DIY thing, lol...cuz i dunno shyt about mastering.
i just want my stuff to sound thicker, ya know.
you can mess with all that but you'd be surprised at what that compressor can do though. Just play with compression etc even if you don't understand what each part of it does, you'll eventually figure out which knobs to turn to get the result your after.
illstrick5
02-11-09, 03:21 PM
a vst called psp vintagewarmer. I don't use it alot, but it will definitely make your joints sound fuller, louder, warmer, alot of knobs to adjust and readjust your sound.
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 03:54 PM
a vst called psp vintagewarmer. I don't use it alot, but it will definitely make your joints sound fuller, louder, warmer, alot of knobs to adjust and readjust your sound.
I used that for awhile, its nice, but these ssl plugins and waves bundles are much better imo.
illstrick5
02-11-09, 04:15 PM
word i heard about those, but they cost alot of $ don't they.
illstrick5
02-11-09, 04:21 PM
yo your jh that spot was talking about on that song, take me home. Thats ill, keep doing it big if so, , he had some older music i heard a while ago on i think the czar website i can't find .
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 04:44 PM
you can download the ssl bus compressor from waves here: http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=307
waves packages their SSL stuff in bundles, rather than letting you buy the plug-in you want unfortunately. I think one of the SSL packs runs about 800+, not sure about the rest of the Waves bundles, they have some that are reasonably priced.
It all comes down to how much you are willing to invest, but always try before you buy.
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 04:53 PM
yo your jh that spot was talking about on that song, take me home. Thats ill, keep doing it big if so, , he had some older music i heard a while ago on i think the czar website i can't find .
yea that's me, seems like such a long time ago! thank you. i came a long way production wise since then (i think so anyway). I actually just got back in touch with him last week, hopefully we can get some new material together.
illstrick5
02-11-09, 05:31 PM
800$ :weirdo: i'm doing it small compared to yall. Keep rising fam salute wanna hear some songs you/you and spot done. That ann pebbles song is tight.
Alabaster Holt
02-11-09, 05:35 PM
Gotdamn. Thats expensive. But I would kill to have a full sound.
The Nastiest
02-11-09, 06:43 PM
yeah, if you can't afford all that shyt, I'd advise figuring out how to use reverb, whatever compression you have available, panning, and layering, especially if your using nonsampled sounds
King Omega
02-11-09, 07:22 PM
props N0 Thanks
N0 Thanks
02-11-09, 09:37 PM
props N0 Thanks
no problem.
N0 Thanks
02-13-09, 09:09 AM
the other thing that would help if you can't get a hold of any of the plugins i named, just layer your sounds up. If your using a synth lead, layer it up with another one. Works even better if you get the synths from two different sources/vst's. Same goes for synth pads or brass or whatever. Take one sound from one program and blend it over an identical sound from another program. Different companies have different sound engines etc and when you put the two together it gives a fuller sound sometimes. Just a thought.
Choc City
02-13-09, 07:08 PM
The simple answer is EQing.
Good compression and EQing on the drums and they will sound crazy. It doesnt really matter what plugs or console you use if you know what your doing.
Mastering is not exactly the answer. A great mix requires little mastering. The more tweaks that are done in mastering just mean the mix wasnt that good. You cant shine **** but you can sure polish diamonds.
You also have to keep in mind that if you arent in a good room with great monitors, great AD/DA conversion and great ears your not going to be able to get that good EQing.
You could have Mike Dean mix and master your **** but if he did it in your bedroom with your rockit monitors its going to be like Michael Jordan playing baseball.
Dont buy $800 plug ins if you have $2 ears in a $1 room.
Get your monitoring situation the best it can possibly be THEN buy plugs and sh!t.
Drumkitz
02-13-09, 07:14 PM
The simple answer is EQing.
Good compression and EQing on the drums and they will sound crazy. It doesnt really matter what plugs or console you use if you know what your doing.
Mastering is not exactly the answer. A great mix requires little mastering. The more tweaks that are done in mastering just mean the mix wasnt that good. You cant shine **** but you can sure polish diamonds.
You also have to keep in mind that if you arent in a good room with great monitors, great AD/DA conversion and great ears your not going to be able to get that good EQing.
You could have Mike Dean mix and master your **** but if he did it in your bedroom with your rockit monitors its going to be like Michael Jordan playing baseball.
Dont buy $800 plug ins if you have $2 ears in a $1 room.
Get your monitoring situation the best it can possibly be THEN buy plugs and sh!t.
but michael was good at baseball tho..
Alabaster Holt
02-13-09, 07:29 PM
I'm definitely stepping my ear game up.:king: props
Choc City
02-13-09, 08:56 PM
but michael was good at baseball tho..
exactly. but id rather my mixes sound like mj wining 6 championships, then like MJ batting .202 for a minor league team lol
Genycis
02-14-09, 02:03 AM
I'm definitely stepping my ear game up.:king: props
There's also a set of CD's I believe that you can get that run you through a series of different hearing tests to test your ears on things you'd hear when mixing down tracks... I believe it's called Golden Ears or something of that nature.. there's other software like it as well. A good pair of studio monitor headphones in addition to monitors will also help develop your ears more... much luck and success to you.
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HIPHOPMUSIC
02-14-09, 01:27 PM
You also have to keep in mind that if you arent in a good room with great monitors, great AD/DA conversion and great ears your not going to be able to get that good EQing.
yes you can,you just gotta know how to work with the monitors you have.
thanoblepimp
02-18-09, 05:32 AM
Does M Audio Mbox do the same thing.Thats what I heard?
Try these.
PSp Vintage Warmer
2) register with:
Name: TEAM AiR
Serial: 4177901767
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3598004/PSP.Audioware.Vintage.Warmer.VST.DX.RTAS.v2.0-AiR.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4470600/PSP_Audioware_Vintage_Warmer_VST.DX.RTAS_v2.0
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4053722/PSP_Audioware_VintageWarmer_VST_v1.6.5_-_H2O
You can also try Soundgoodizer. Actually helps me acheive a quick rich sound.
I did a quick little project:
One without anything on it:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/8aaa01f607759be3596f0c3b79bdb3f7
One with Vintage Warmer with some tweaks:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/bcfeb2ce51735680e2fa38f8f6379007
Obviosuly it's not great but I think you get the point.
Mr.Omega
02-18-09, 02:12 PM
I did a quick little project:
One without anything on it:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/8aaa01f607759be3596f0c3b79bdb3f7
One with Vintage Warmer with some tweaks:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/bcfeb2ce51735680e2fa38f8f6379007
Obviosuly it's not great but I think you get the point.
damn that is a big difference
and thank you for the links man
Thirty3 Degrees
02-18-09, 03:25 PM
Try these.
PSp Vintage Warmer
2) register with:
Name: TEAM AiR
Serial: 4177901767
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3598004/PSP.Audioware.Vintage.Warmer.VST.DX.RTAS.v2.0-AiR.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4470600/PSP_Audioware_Vintage_Warmer_VST.DX.RTAS_v2.0
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4053722/PSP_Audioware_VintageWarmer_VST_v1.6.5_-_H2O
You can also try Soundgoodizer. Actually helps me acheive a quick rich sound.
:yes:
Alabaster Holt
02-18-09, 03:37 PM
I did a quick little project:
One without anything on it:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/8aaa01f607759be3596f0c3b79bdb3f7
One with Vintage Warmer with some tweaks:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/bcfeb2ce51735680e2fa38f8f6379007
Obviosuly it's not great but I think you get the point.
:eek: AMAZlN'!!!!
damn that is a big difference
and thank you for the links man
No problem.
:eek: AMAZlN'!!!!
Yeah it's crazy. I been messin with Vintage for some days and it always sounds good lol
Propaganda
02-18-09, 06:47 PM
damn that thing is nice. props for that.
illstrick5
02-18-09, 07:19 PM
yep yep, the psp vintage warmer is ill. Was gonna upload but didn't think it was allowed, good look wilde, its a ill vst.
Thirty3 Degrees
02-18-09, 07:24 PM
No problem.
Yeah it's crazy. I been messin with Vintage for some days and it always sounds good lol
Is is basically the same thing as Soundgoodizer?
Is is basically the same thing as Soundgoodizer?
Yeah but sometimes Soundgoodizer makes the song have pops and crackles. The Vintage makes it nice and smooth lol :D
yep yep, the psp vintage warmer is ill. Was gonna upload but didn't think it was allowed, good look wilde, its a ill vst.
Thanks
I did a quick little project:
One without anything on it:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/8aaa01f607759be3596f0c3b79bdb3f7
One with Vintage Warmer with some tweaks:
http://www.limelinx.com/files/bcfeb2ce51735680e2fa38f8f6379007
Obviosuly it's not great but I think you get the point.
so, basically it just compresses the shyt out of your mix ?
it does sound better, however I can hear a bunch of artifacts and I think its clipping at the present mix level (barely but it is)
but props for the plug-in, Ill be sure to try it out.
ovadosebeats
02-20-09, 01:53 PM
like dre for example...he could only use a few elements and his shyt always sounds so big and plush.
y'all got any good any tips/tricks?
WELL FROM WHAT I KNOW IF YOU USE FEWER SOUNDS YOU OPEN UP THE SOUND FIELD WHICH IF YOU'RE USING QUALITY SOUNDS WILL MAKE THE INSTRUMENTS SOUND FULLER EVEN BEFORE MIXING. NOW DRE I KNOW FOR A FACT RUNS EVERYTHING THROUGH THE SSL MIXER CONSOLE WHICH IS A 2 MILLY DOLLAR BOARD EACH TRACK ON THE SSL HAS SOLID STATE COMPONENTS WHICH GIVES SOUNDS THAT FAT ANALOG SOUND ALSO EACH CHANNEL HAS ITS OWN GATE,COMPRESSORS,AND TUBE TECH PROCESSORS.
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jason20021
02-25-09, 10:05 PM
Try these.
PSp Vintage Warmer
2) register with:
Name: TEAM AiR
Serial: 4177901767
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3598004/PSP.Audioware.Vintage.Warmer.VST.DX.RTAS.v2.0-AiR.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4470600/PSP_Audioware_Vintage_Warmer_VST.DX.RTAS_v2.0
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4053722/PSP_Audioware_VintageWarmer_VST_v1.6.5_-_H2O
You can also try Soundgoodizer. Actually helps me acheive a quick rich sound.
do I need to download all 3?
do I need to download all 3?
Nah just one of em. Make sure you get either Mac or Windows depending on your machine.
Thirty3 Degrees
02-25-09, 11:55 PM
do I need to download all 3?
:blink:
That avy...
actually, Id say for your best bet, learn compression, eqing, etc.
once you master the art, youd be able to do things the right way with a great sound without any plugins and such.
one engineer I know is a magician in that department.
and remember, if you have low-quality sounds (ie mp3s, some low-volume kicks, etc.) its best to re-record them, ALWAYS.
actually, Id say for your best bet, learn compression, eqing, etc.
once you master the art, youd be able to do things the right way with a great sound without any plugins and such.
one engineer I know is a magician in that department.
and remember, if you have low-quality sounds (ie mp3s, some low-volume kicks, etc.) its best to re-record them, ALWAYS.
Yeah, once I get a good setup, I'm gonna do it the regular way without plugins. Eqing each track/channel to fine tune it to the sounds needs.
jason20021
02-26-09, 09:45 PM
Nah just one of em. Make sure you get either Mac or Windows depending on your machine.
anybody else having a hard time getting this installed and running?
:blink:
That avy...
:yes:
anybody else having a hard time getting this installed and running?
:yes:
Do you know what torrents are?
jason20021
02-27-09, 12:05 PM
Do you know what torrents are?
1.) yeah, I got bit torrent (equivalent of a bearshare/limewire for torrents)
2.) I double click on the torrent I downloaded from the link provided by wilde (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3598004/PSP.Audioware.Vintage.Warmer.VST.DX.RTAS.v2.0-AiR)
3.) I complete the download and unzip the shyt...it didn't work.
Plan B,
1.) I tried downloading the demo from the site PSP (http://www.pspaudioware.com/)
2.) I will input the name/serial number
3.) Cross fingers
4.) I will hope it works.
After it is installed I can use it in Cubase, right? How do you guys use it? :huh:
1.) yeah, I got bit torrent (equivalent of a bearshare/limewire for torrents)
2.) I double click on the torrent I downloaded from the link provided by wilde (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3598004/PSP.Audioware.Vintage.Warmer.VST.DX.RTAS.v2.0-AiR)
3.) I complete the download and unzip the shyt...it didn't work.
Plan B,
1.) I tried downloading the demo from the site PSP (http://www.pspaudioware.com/)
2.) I will input the name/serial number
3.) Cross fingers
4.) I will hope it works.
After it is installed I can use it in Cubase, right? How do you guys use it? :huh:
Hmm...I don't know how Cubase works, I used FL Studio. It should work though. Is your Cubase set to find plugins? Or can you manually find them?
jason20021
03-01-09, 09:15 AM
Hmm...I don't know how Cubase works, I used FL Studio. It should work though. Is your Cubase set to find plugins? Or can you manually find them?
It works for Cubase.
Does the registration info work for all the PSP software or just the warmizer?
http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/mix2.html;
If not, does any body have the registration code for the one in the link?
producingfire
03-15-09, 06:42 PM
Layering your sounds has a lot to do with that sound doubling at the octave, and mixing make all the difference.
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