Let's talk KICKS

[killmyhead]

break kick off vinyl

various 808 ran thru mpc 60

kit kick (random choice to match sound your looking for)

then layer 4 is your choice of a different sounding sample of layer 1 or layer 3

then adjust layer levels how u want it

then resample it

or as a layer put on a vinyl and let it play at the part on the end or beginning whre there's no sound, and tap your finger on it, it'll make a bass drum kick type of sound, sample that chop it and layer it under your kick drum

compression to glue it up

add-on

[DJ TEKNIK]

I get my kicks from records and drums kits.

[bleekbeats]

I usually use kicks or of of a record that I really like. I dont compress my drums right now. I EQ them to get it just the right sound of Timbre that I want.

[Big Jo]

can someone PLEASE explain to me how you can chop a single drum from a record?

i've tried chopping songs in acid before, and i can do it pretty well... but i can't imagine extracting one drum that hits for a millisecond.... how can you get it that exact?!

how do you do it?

[Alabaster Holt]

*Uses ReDrum in Reason*
*looks into thread*
*sampling a solo drum at a low frequency and using it for urself?*
*:eek:*
*runs*

[Big Jo]

can someone PLEASE explain to me how you can chop a single drum from a record?

i've tried chopping songs in acid before, and i can do it pretty well... but i can't imagine extracting one drum that hits for a millisecond.... how can you get it that exact?!

how do you do it?

*was figuring somebody like nabs, aje, or choc city the god would answer my question by now*

*is still sad and confused*

[bleekbeats]

can someone PLEASE explain to me how you can chop a single drum from a record?

i've tried chopping songs in acid before, and i can do it pretty well... but i can't imagine extracting one drum that hits for a millisecond.... how can you get it that exact?!

how do you do it?


I do it! some times there is a drum break a fill. and I chop it down to its bare essentials and then send it to logic to chop up some more, clean up or eq and then I save it as a wave to have in my vault..

[killmyhead]

what u mean

u just trim the drum sound from where it starts till the other sound comes in to keep a little air after it

[Big Jo]

what u mean
u just trim the drum sound from where it starts till the other sound comes in to keep a little air after it

i don't understand how you chop something that specific and brief... like how you can trim out one single drum hit from a break... what program do you use to chop?

[T O N Y M.]

i don't understand how you chop something that specific and brief... like how you can trim out one single drum hit from a break... what program do you use to chop?
you can do it on any program u just got to zoom in and crop it so that you can know what you are looking at when you see the waveform you can tell the transients (hits) of the break just select a transient from beginning to end and cut and paste. its not always perfect but thats why u zoom in and u can do it to the best degree, or apply fade in and outs.

[killmyhead]

i use recycle mostly or sumtimes just the mpc

[DJ TEKNIK]

you can do it on any program u just got to zoom in and crop it so that you can know what you are looking at when you see the waveform you can tell the transients (hits) of the break just select a transient from beginning to end and cut and paste. its not always perfect but thats why u zoom in and u can do it to the best degree, or apply fade in and outs.

Yup this is how I do it with cool edit.

[bleekbeats]

Recycle!!!!!

[Aje]

*was figuring somebody like nabs, aje, or choc city the god would answer my question by now*
*is still sad and confused*ok, so I can only answer this question the way I do it...and that's through my triton (which is a keyboard workstation which you can sample and sequence on).

So,

I find a song that I like the drums on. Any song
I'll take like a 3 to 5 second snippet from the song making sure the drum that I wanna use (kick drum, in this case) is very audible. Usually I don't want a lot of other instruments playing in the background (like trumpets, or guitars) so I try to find the drums as isolated as possible.
After I have this snippet I use the knob on the triton to scroll/select the part of the snippet I want. After doing this for 10 years I can almost "see" what the kick drum wave form looks like. The wave form is not as "bunched" up like a snare drum or hi-hat because it'sa lower frequency.
After I have the kick I assign it to a pad/key/note on my triton and then use it just as I would any other sample.


Not sure if that makes any sense, Jo

[P.U.R.E.]

i use recycle mostly or sumtimes just the mpc
thats what i do

[The Nastiest]

Assuming I'm not just gonna use something I already have in a kit or chopped:
I just chop it out of the song using soundforge. usually you can only get a good kick that way if there's no instruments that come in or are playing until the kick, snare, or whatever gets finished "reverbing", otherwise you're gonna have to figure out how to compensate for the extra instrument or the drum stop before it sounds like it should. You can do that by adding your own reverb, eqing, compressing, layering, etc.

Sometimes I like finding snares with an instrument hit inthe back and then using them to make that old school sounds like RZA use to do and is very prevelant on Amy Winehouse's last cd

[killmyhead]

fukk a kit

them drums sound cliche

[The Nastiest]

fukk a kit
them drums sound cliche
You obviously don't know how ot use all the vst's that are available.

And cliche is only for nigqas who don't know how to keep shyt fresh. 808's been around for decades and they're still a viable kit and probably always wil be

[P.U.R.E.]

fukk a kick nothin but hi hats baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqg3cxvbL3M :yes:

[eboknows]

thats the realness i love me some hi hats

[killmyhead]

You obviously don't know how ot use all the vst's that are available.
And cliche is only for nigqas who don't know how to keep shyt fresh. 808's been around for decades and they're still a viable kit and probably always wil be


808 gotta be layered and ran thru processors to get an ill sound otherwise it sounds cliche

i'm talkin' kit like straight out the box no processing

and to be honest, straight sampled drums layered and processed on hardware will ALWAYS sound better than any one of your vst kit kicks snares etc

[The Nastiest]

808 gotta be layered and ran thru processors to get an ill sound otherwise it sounds cliche

i'm talkin' kit like straight out the box no processing

and to be honest, straight sampled drums layered and processed on hardware will ALWAYS sound better than any one of your vst kit kicks snares etc
I've never used a VST drum, so I can't argue with that

And layered and ran through processors is exactly what I was talking about with all the drum kits. I don't ever just take something and leave it how I got it. that's lazy as fucc and it doesn't make the beat really "your own".


but, this whole argument about what can and can't be used is that same as te hardware vs. software, Reason vs. Fruity Loops, etc. debates, bc it all comes down to who's making that beat and the level of creativity they put into making their beats

[killmyhead]

ok sorry