Be Real With Yourselves, People....You CANNOT Be G.O.A.T. If You....

[BossBaller]

1. Lost a battle decisively
2. Bite other people's rhymes

...BOTH of which Jay-Z is guilty of....

This is not a shock thread. This is common sense.

How could someone be considered the greatest of all time if they were BESTED in what they do by someone else?

How can someone be considered the ultimate in their craft when they liberally "borrow" elements OF that craft from others?

That doesn't even make any ****ing sense.

Now show me that retarded ass SOHH logic some of you are famous for in your feeble attempts to explain away this logic. :thumbsdow

[Iron Man Production]

***Sit back with a bowl of Orville and wait for the furious Jay stans***

[BossBaller]

***Sit back with a bowl of Orville and wait for the furious Jay stans***

...and they'll say I'm hating and call me out my name and all that.

And that's fine....hey, do you, people.

But it's a DIRECT indictment of their denial of the truth.

Look, Jay-Z is in my Top 5 lyricists all-time....big fan of him and his catalogue.

But FACTS IS FACTS.

You don't LOSE a battle to a *****, get on the radio and cry about it with that ***** Angie Martinez, and even later ADMIT your defeat ("the Joneses can't keep up...mebbe my ***** Nas, but I got stronger after Ether..."), and STEAL RHYMES from other people and then have the audacity to revel in people proclaiming you the G.O.A.T.

It just doesn't ****ing work that way, sorry.

[STRESSU]

Jay is a dope emcee, but that's where it stops with me.

".....Aint no best..."

[Sincere_730]

threadstarter has a good point:yes:

[T.N.C.]

:laugh: @ how quiet Jay stans are. Honestly the best defense they gonna be able to come up wit is "Nas lost".

[CHI TOWN]

ITS SIMPLE, THE SAME WAY WAYNE IS THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE.
WE HAVE ALOT OF STUPID MOTHER****ING STANS IN THIS WORLD, AND THEY LOVE TO OVERLOOK THE FACTS.
:devil:
:evil:

[B Soul]

G.B.O.A.T.

Greatest Biter Of All Time

and not only hip hop, from any point in history

even that is debatable tho, cause you got white people with their changing up history about Egypt and Jesus...and the whole nine

dang i take that back, jay is #2 G.B.O.A.T .

[NotSoft]

Neither Nas or Jay is the Goat...Pac is...he made Nas cry on telivision and admit to cryin in private elminating Nas mathmatically....also pretending to be busy when Big asked for help against Pac...Biggie bein eliminated bcuz he backed down to 2pac and didnt want to battle...

[G-Zeus]

well.. MTV took over and decided they were gonna give us a GOAT...

back in the days the real jay fans would have NEVER phucked with MTV but since it's a direct fufilment of their most tender fanatic desire... they can't help but accept as fact that jay is the GOAT.

then again.. THE SOURCE gave us a goat... then XXL gave us a goat...

and since no one is really hip hop anymore... the sheeps cant do more then agree with whatever whoever says...

[BossBaller]

:laugh: @ how quiet Jay stans are. Honestly the best defense they gonna be able to come up wit is "Nas lost".

Exactly.

[Freshology]

:laugh: @ how quiet Jay stans are. Honestly the best defense they gonna be able to come up wit is "Nas lost".

if they show up they're 'mad'.... if they don't show up they're 'quiet'.... what's with all these reindeer games being played online nowadays...

at the end of the day what does this GOAT talk amount to??? isn't it all opinion??

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS G.O.A.T....

[houston911]

nas/pac = goat
jay = camel

[44degreez]

1. Lost a battle decisively
2. Bite other people's rhymes
...BOTH of which Jay-Z is guilty of....
This is not a shock thread. This is common sense.
How could someone be considered the greatest of all time if they were BESTED in what they do by someone else?
How can someone be considered the ultimate in their craft when they liberally "borrow" elements OF that craft from others?
That doesn't even make any ****ing sense.
Now show me that retarded ass SOHH logic some of you are famous for in your feeble attempts to explain away this logic. :thumbsdow
I'm sure we can all come up with criteria to eliminate a rapper from being crowned the best. They can't bite rhymes, they can't lose battles, they can't only be regional, they have to have X amount of classic albums, etc. How about just saying: I don't think Jay's the best because I like "Rapper A" better.

[antman24]

if jay died tomorrow there would be no more hip-hop...Roc boyz in the thread

[Freshology]

I'm sure we can all come up with criteria to eliminate a rapper from being crowned the best. They can't bite rhymes, they can't lose battles, they can't only be regional, they have to have X amount of classic albums, etc. How about just saying: I don't think Jay's the best because I like "Rapper A" better.


they don't hear you though....

[BossBaller]

I'm sure we can all come up with criteria to eliminate a rapper from being crowned the best. They can't bite rhymes, they can't lose battles, they can't only be regional, they have to have X amount of classic albums, etc. How about just saying: I don't think Jay's the best because I like "Rapper A" better.

:dry:

No, little itty bitty *****.

Just....no

What I said is LOGICAL and based on FACT.

[44degreez]

:dry:
No, little itty bitty *****.
Just....no
What I said is LOGICAL and based on FACT.
:laugh: gotcha. Really, you don't have to be so creative in voicing your displeasure for Jay. No matter who we agree is the "GOAT", someone will find what they see as a flaw in his legacy and call the rest of us crazy. Just say you don't like him and KIM.

[doeboy]

1. Lost a battle decisively
2. Bite other people's rhymes
...BOTH of which Jay-Z is guilty of....
This is not a shock thread. This is common sense.
How could someone be considered the greatest of all time if they were BESTED in what they do by someone else?
How can someone be considered the ultimate in their craft when they liberally "borrow" elements OF that craft from others?
That doesn't even make any ****ing sense.
Now show me that retarded ass SOHH logic some of you are famous for in your feeble attempts to explain away this logic. :thumbsdowgotdamn cousin, get dude's dik out of your mouth.

[houston911]

gotdamn cousin, get dude's dik out of your mouth.

so you can put it back in yours?

[fundz]

so you can put it back in yours?

:laugh: :laugh:

[G-Zeus]

so you can put it back in yours?
:laugh::laugh:


lol@ this
:mad:GET IT OUT :hug: it's my turn now

:gag:@ that dude who name rimes with poeboy

[Kid-Wave]

Neither Nas or Jay is the Goat...Pac is...he made Nas cry on telivision and admit to cryin in private elminating Nas mathmatically....also pretending to be busy when Big asked for help against Pac...Biggie bein eliminated bcuz he backed down to 2pac and didnt want to battle...
pac didnt really make nas cry, pac was already dead when nas cried lol

[T.N.C.]

if they show up they're 'mad'.... if they don't show up they're 'quiet'.... what's with all these reindeer games being played online nowadays...
at the end of the day what does this GOAT talk amount to??? isn't it all opinion??
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS G.O.A.T....


Well IS the GOAT talk opinion?

If there is a disconcernable way to say "rapper A" is better than "rapper B", then why wouldn't there be a way to determine who the overall best (i.e. The GOAT) is?


I mean, if there is no standard any little kid can come on here saying Nelly is the best rapper of all time.

[iLLusoYuN]

you know what the thradstarter just said real talk.

[doeboy]

so you can put it back in yours?fuk you doing in the music section b1tch? you should be in the coliseum suking off kobe as usual.

[doeboy]

you know what the thradstarter just said real talk.nothing dude said was "real talk", just the standard "lets discredit jay" rhetoric.

[AndreBR]

So....if this was true...

Then Nas can't be the GOAT...he was afraid to beef with pac...

anyone can come up with a different criteria for the GOAT...

i don't even think Jay is the GOAT(he is in my top 3 with Nas and Pac)...Pac is the GOAT in my opinion...but at the end of the day it's all about your opinion.....

we can argue about the possible contenders for this spot....but we all have our favourite...people need to stop tryin to discredit "Rapper A" to big up "Rapper B"...i hate all the "Nas vs Jay"/"Pac vs BIG" threads....

they are all legends...let's just appreciate their art....

[tolo602]

jay-z is gonna go down in history of one of the best to ever touch a mic, real talk...

[Taadow]

1. Lost a battle decisively


Here's the problem I have with this: who "won" a battle is largely opinion, not fact.

[houston911]

fuk you doing in the music section b1tch? you should be in the coliseum suking off kobe as usual.


:laugh:

i remember when your bytch ass sent me an angry pm after repeatedly sonning you.

go suck a camels dikk

[SubLyminalz]

So....if this was true...
Then Nas can't be the GOAT...he was afraid to beef with pac...
anyone can come up with a different criteria for the GOAT...
i don't even think Jay is the GOAT(he is in my top 3 with Nas and Pac)...Pac is the GOAT in my opinion...but at the end of the day it's all about your opinion.....
we can argue about the possible contenders for this spot....but we all have our favourite...people need to stop tryin to discredit "Rapper A" to big up "Rapper B"...i hate all the "Nas vs Jay"/"Pac vs BIG" threads....
they are all legends...let's just appreciate their art....
close thread

[G-Zeus]

well no title is a real title if it's not contested.. but then again... i don't think jay is the goat..

LL is... still embodies the impossible (most longevity ever)

he is not outdone.

[Blackman28]

The threadstarter is right. Jay-Z is being called a GOAT because of his ability to make money, which would make Jay the GOAT mogul/rapper but not the GOAT rapper. His catalogue, like his lyrics, are overrated. RD is his only true classics and Blueprint is a near classic. TBA and AG are good albums but no where near being superior or classic status. Jay-Z benefited a lot from Biggie and Pac passing and Nas not dropping a solo album for 3 years.

[SubLyminalz]

well no title is a real title if it's not contested.. but then again... i don't think jay is the goat..
LL is... still embodies the impossible (most longevity ever)
he is not outdone.
so with your logic too short is a GOAT contender :dry:

[LoWonder18]

Name a rapper that aint bit another ***** line......its a whole section of that **** every month in xxl.......so whos goat?

[dj khaled]

if jay died tomorrow there would be no more hip-hop...Roc boyz in the thread
REAL TALK THATS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON DYIN LORD FORBID

[doeboy]

The threadstarter is right. Jay-Z is being called a GOAT because of his ability to make money, which would make Jay the GOAT mogul/rapper but not the GOAT rapper. His catalogue, like his lyrics, are overrated. RD is his only true classics and Blueprint is a near classic. TBA and AG are good albums but no where near being superior or classic status. Jay-Z benefited a lot from Biggie and Pac passing and Nas not dropping a solo album for 3 years.you dont know what a classic album is. you think that your personal opinion of quality is what determines which albums are classic. you need to wake up my man. hiphop is bigger than your personal opinion.

:laugh:
i remember when your bytch ass sent me an angry pm after repeatedly sonning you.
go suck a camels dikkof course your no life ass having ass remembers. this is your life b1tch. i bet my house that more ppl know who houston911 is than your government. yous a nobody, and thats why you act the way that you do.

[SubLyminalz]

you dont know what a classic album is. you think that your personal opinion of quality is what determines which albums are classic. you need to wake up my man. hiphop is bigger than your personal opinion.
of course your no life ass having ass remembers. this is your life b1tch. i bet my house that more ppl know who houston911 is than your government. yous a nobody, and thats why you act the way that you do.
duke is the biggest nas d1ckrider on here, don't pay that lame any attention, he actually said supreme clientele was a classic, and the blueprint wasn't

[Blackman28]

you dont know what a classic album is. you think that your personal opinion of quality is what determines which albums are classic. you need to wake up my man. hiphop is bigger than your personal opinion.
of course your no life ass having ass remembers. this is your life b1tch. i bet my house that more ppl know who houston911 is than your government. yous a nobody, and thats why you act the way that you do.

I know what a classic album is...AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted is a classic album. Illmatic is a classic album. Paid in Full is a classic album. AG is NO classic album. You can't raise your standards for one rapper and lower them for another rapper. And as far as hip-hop is bigger than my personal opinion comment, I could say the same for you...

duke is the biggest nas d1ckrider on here, don't pay that lame any attention, he actually said supreme clientele was a classic, and the blueprint wasn't

And you the biggest Jay-Z **** rider in here. LOL...like your opinion holds weight. Your opinion is about as valuable as a penny with a hole in it.

*introduces pot to kettle

[houston911]

of course your no life ass having ass remembers. this is your life b1tch. i bet my house that more ppl know who houston911 is than your government. yous a nobody, and thats why you act the way that you do.


bytch ass n1gga you don't own a house. you damn near 40 and you still live with your mom. you got your fat ass kid sleeping in the basement with you. you're too pathetic to get a crib for your seed. show some respect and ill help you find a job


doeboy = 7.33 posts per day
houston911 = 6 posts per day

hoston911 = young and employed
doeboy = 35 years old, uneducated, unemployed and hes doing a half ass job of rasing a kid that probably isnt even his

houston911 = regular sized person
doeboy = fat slob

houston911 = fan of rap
doeboy = jay-z dikk licker

these are all facts

[ItripL]

1. Lost a battle decisively
2. Bite other people's rhymes
...BOTH of which Jay-Z is guilty of....
This is not a shock thread. This is common sense.
How could someone be considered the greatest of all time if they were BESTED in what they do by someone else?
How can someone be considered the ultimate in their craft when they liberally "borrow" elements OF that craft from others?
That doesn't even make any ****ing sense.
Now show me that retarded ass SOHH logic some of you are famous for in your feeble attempts to explain away this logic. :thumbsdow

Nicca didn't lose decisively he quit like a lil b1tch. I'm still LOL @ all you niccas who was defending nas skeo like baby moms. Anyway I came in here because I thought you put something logical like...Never dropped a classic album.

[VAForLife]

nas lost



for real

jay will go down as one of the illest to ever speak on a record, he may not be the GOAT, but if he aint, then no one is.

[Blackman28]

nas lost



for real

jay will go down as one of the illest to ever speak on a record, he may not be the GOAT, but if he aint, then no one is.

Rakim, Nas, Biggie, KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G. Rap beg to differ.

[doeboy]

I know what a classic album is...AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted is a classic album. Illmatic is a classic album. Paid in Full is a classic album. AG is NO classic album. You can't raise your standards for one rapper and lower them for another rapper. And as far as hip-hop is bigger than my personal opinion comment, I could say the same for you...
And you the biggest Jay-Z **** rider in here. LOL...like your opinion holds weight. Your opinion is about as valuable as a penny with a hole in it.
*introduces pot to kettle who said anything about ag being a classic album? and my point still stands, i dont think that you know a "classic" is. you giving 2-3 examples doesnt refute my comment. i understand what classics are and i dont base them on my personal opinion or my personal feelings about the artist.
bytch ass n1gga you don't own a house. you damn near 40 and you still live with your mom. you got your fat ass kid sleeping in the basement with you. you're too pathetic to get a crib for your seed. show some respect and ill help you find a job
doeboy = 7.33 posts per day
houston911 = 6 posts per day
hoston911 = young and employed
doeboy = 35 years old, uneducated, unemployed and hes doing a half ass job of rasing a kid that probably isnt even his
houston911 = regular sized person
doeboy = fat slob
houston911 = fan of rap
doeboy = jay-z dikk licker
these are all factslook at how hard ya lame ass tries. pathetic. youre the type of geek who has 2-3-who knows how many sitenames. the way you constantly instigate these little tiffs with me is evidence enough of ya lameness. why dont discuss the topic at hand and get off my dik faqqot. the nerve of your geek ass convincing yourself that you really know me. does it get more pathetic than that? i told you you live on this b1tch.

[Blackman28]

who said anything about ag being a classic album? and my point still stands, i dont think that you know a "classic" is. you giving 2-3 examples doesnt refute my comment. i understand what classics are and i dont base them on my personal opinion or my personal feelings about the artist.

LOL it appears as if you don't know what a true classic is 'cause those albums I named are CERTIFIED classics. Not a rappers' fan campaigning for classic status like y'all have with Blueprint, TBA, and AG. True classics. LOL @ you don't base them on personal opinion. GTFOH...a classic album has hardly any skip tracks on it, has an impact, and is TIMELESS. Only Jay-Z album that falls into that category is RD.

[VAForLife]

Rakim, Nas,Biggie, KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G. Rap beg to differ.


you lost.

homeboy begging e-40 to be on a song, you cant be the goat

you cry over a line? you lost

beefin with nelly? hahaha


rakim is top 5, bdk is top five, but so is hov.

[houston911]

who said anything about ag being a classic album? and my point still stands, i dont think that you know a "classic" is. you giving 2-3 examples doesnt refute my comment. i understand what classics are and i dont base them on my personal opinion or my personal feelings about the artist.
look at how hard ya lame ass tries. pathetic. youre the type of geek who has 2-3-who knows how many sitenames. the way you constantly instigate these little tiffs with me is evidence enough of ya lameness. why dont discuss the topic at hand and get off my dik faqqot. the nerve of your geek ass convincing yourself that you really know me. does it get more pathetic than that? i told you you live on this b1tch.

that took 30 seconds. you post more than i do. get madder

i think youre the ones with all the site names, since thats what you always talk about.

[The Ahmed]

You can't be a G.O.A.T. if you based your whole career off a scam, gimmicks, and causing controversy.....



50 Cent?

[Yoda3542]

even Jordan lost to the Magic in 95

even Yogi Berra lost a World Series or two in the midst of winning 10

**** up

but Nas = GOAT

hopefully this ****** Tape era will light a fire under Hov's ass

he needs to get on that album