Production Credits and Publishing Allocation

[Aje]

I don't know how many of you work with other ppl when it comes to creating beats. Perhaps you have a co-producer(s) (a la Cool & Dre, Pharrell & Chad, Dre & Vidal etc.) or maybe you have dudes who can play a certain instrument (Piano, guitar, horns, etc) that get on your tracks. My question is have you talked about % allocation for each person. Like, basically, how much percent each person gets. Also, if/when you get a placement how will you be mentioned in the credits. Will it be: Produced by (You) Bass Guitar by (Your boy) etc? Or will it just be a group name like the Neptunes?

I'm working with a guy who plays guitar and bass (both double bass and regular bass guitar). And this guy is a real straight shooter. He's not really up on hip-hop however. He doesn't appreciate the time it takes to put a beat together (yet) and he admits it. We were recently talking about how we'd divide the ownership of the stuff we created. I'll tell you...what an uncomfortable conversation. It's like talking to your mom about the birds and the bees except add in art and ego. NIGHTMARE. Anyway, we came to a conclusion that we both felt comfortable with.

My question is if any of you ever had the displeasure of any of this as well.

[Drumkitz]

I don't know how many of you work with other ppl when it comes to creating beats. Perhaps you have a co-producer(s) (a la Cool & Dre, Pharrell & Chad, Dre & Vidal etc.) or maybe you have dudes who can play a certain instrument (Piano, guitar, horns, etc) that get on your tracks. My question is have you talked about % allocation for each person. Like, basically, how much percent each person gets. Also, if/when you get a placement how will you be mentioned in the credits. Will it be: Produced by (You) Bass Guitar by (Your boy) etc? Or will it just be a group name like the Neptunes?
I'm working with a guy who plays guitar and bass (both double bass and regular bass guitar). And this guy is a real straight shooter. He's not really up on hip-hop however. He doesn't appreciate the time it takes to put a beat together (yet) and he admits it. We were recently talking about how we'd divide the ownership of the stuff we created. I'll tell you...what an uncomfortable conversation. It's like talking to your mom about the birds and the bees except add in art and ego. NIGHTMARE. Anyway, we came to a conclusion that we both felt comfortable with.
My question is if any of you ever had the displeasure of any of this as well.


THE IDEAS OF SEIGE!

uuMM. it really all depends on the situation.. of course if Im producing the record and all i need the person to do is add a few guitar parts or fills all the player will get is Guitar by: suchandsuch but.. if this is my guy and were creating everything together then of course I have no problem splitting the pie 50/50 even if I did mostly all of the tracks myself.. its a team so we both benefit regardless.. but no session player will get production credit if they are not producing wit me.. session players get theyre initial fee and credits as far as instrument.. they will be happy the name is release and featured on a major credit anyway... unless ego plays a factor then my friend you may have a problem on your hands!!...

[Aje]

THE IDEAS OF SEIGE!
uuMM. it really all depends on the situation.. of course if Im producing the record and all i need the person to do is add a few guitar parts or fills all the player will get is Guitar by: suchandsuch but.. if this is my guy and were creating everything together then of course I have no problem splitting the pie 50/50 even if I did mostly all of the tracks myself.. its a team so we both benefit regardless.. but no session player will get production credit if they are not producing wit me.. session players get theyre initial fee and credits as far as instrument.. they will be happy the name is release and featured on a major credit anyway... unless ego plays a factor then my friend you may have a problem on your hands!!...I would definitely consider this "my guy" (PAUSE). So even though you did the entire track and he laced the guitar parts (which were really good, too) you'd give him half? What about the credits. It would still be Produced by: Seige for so and so publishing Guitar by: such and such...right?

I was thinking 65/35 me:him.

[MARTY McFLY 2.0]

THE IDEAS OF SEIGE!
uuMM. it really all depends on the situation.. of course if Im producing the record and all i need the person to do is add a few guitar parts or fills all the player will get is Guitar by: suchandsuch but.. if this is my guy and were creating everything together then of course I have no problem splitting the pie 50/50 even if I did mostly all of the tracks myself.. its a team so we both benefit regardless.. but no session player will get production credit if they are not producing wit me.. session players get theyre initial fee and credits as far as instrument.. they will be happy the name is release and featured on a major credit anyway... unless ego plays a factor then my friend you may have a problem on your hands!!...

thats what I heard dre does.He just has dudes like elizondo,storch,mel man,mark batson and dawaun parker play the **** that he hears in his head and just give them a credit for using whatever instrument they used. But he mixes, arranges and makes the original beat or sumthin liek taht

[bleekbeats]

Yo Aje, If you produced the whole track and they laced a guitar then and he is just a musician that has played on it then you can give them 35%. Or alot of time you can give a musician a flat fee and they have the name on the track for playing their instrument and they are cool with that. But whatever you do make them sign a contract so you wont have that ego coming back to get you.

bleek

[Choc City]

before I answer I'd need to know what exactly he'd be doing. Are you coming up with the melody and asking him to play it? Or is he creating the melody?

Actually either way Id really only be open to a flat rate if it were me unless he was actually contributing to the song other than just playing a few bass riffs...

Of course my ego is pretty large and I dont really have any room for another ego. My ego is so big that my ego has an ego, and you cant tell either of em nothing!

[MobbDeepQBG]

Yeah I haven't been put in that situation yet nor had someone play the instrument for me but I'd agree w/ giving either 30-35% to the musician.

[bleekbeats]

I have played on many records as a trumpet player I usually gets a flat fee and get credit for playing trumpet on the song. Unless I negotiate something different. Depends on the project it is indie or major. All depends.

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[Mr. Martinellis]

I have played on many records as a trumpet player I usually gets a flat fee and get credit for playing trumpet on the song. Unless I negotiate something different. Depends on the project it is indie or major. All depends.
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isnt that a dilla beat?

[bleekbeats]

That my man Jumbo The Garbageman, but they have Jake One and Vitamin D on there as well. Jumbo produces for different cats on Quannum and in Cali. THe production is hot.

[Drumkitz]

I would definitely consider this "my guy" (PAUSE). So even though you did the entire track and he laced the guitar parts (which were really good, too) you'd give him half? What about the credits. It would still be Produced by: Seige for so and so publishing Guitar by: such and such...right?
I was thinking 65/35 me:him.

See i would give him half if we were a team.. now i may be more powerful wit drums and melodys and then he may be more powerful wit basslines or acoustic feels jus sayin per say.. so were both actually creating the music even if i did 85% of it cuz were a team.. now like choc said below.. if your creating the melody and hes only recreating your melody then he only gets a flat fee and instrument credit.. any session player(musician) will only get instrument credit cuz they jus playin an instrument on the actual beat.. that deserves flat rate.. or whatever u guys work out at the end of it all..

like i had a live bass player on "Roses" but he only got payed session fee.. and got instrument credit on the album.. see you gotta think.. when a club hires a band they play that night for a nightly rate..bleek knows more about that than me.. but were gonna say you get "hired" to play in the club that night.. the owner is gonna give u either the rate you charge or the rate he can afford.. that band is not gonna take home 35% profit of what the club gets.. cuz its a one time thing.. now if that same band is headlining that club and the club is drawing a crowd then I believe the owner would actually pay the band a certain amount and add on maybe a certain percentage made at the bar.. who knos.. i dont get too deep into that.. but do ya kinda get it???.. im kinda of bad at makin scenarios sound acurate... lol
before I answer I'd need to know what exactly he'd be doing. Are you coming up with the melody and asking him to play it? Or is he creating the melody?

Actually either way Id really only be open to a flat rate if it were me unless he was actually contributing to the song other than just playing a few bass riffs...

Of course my ego is pretty large and I dont really have any room for another ego. My ego is so big that my ego has an ego, and you cant tell either of em nothing!

[Ke$eSoprano]

Makes sense Seige

[Aje]

Well, here's the deal. I gave him the MP3 and then he layed like 4 or 5 two minute guitar tracks. Then I basically just went through and took parts that sounded the best. This dude don't know hip-hop from a hi top. So, I basically sampled from him...if that makes sense...then I took the parts that I liked and pasted them into my ProTools session and there you go. I would say he's more than a session guitarist but he's not necessarily part of the production team...HOWEVA...I would definitely use him in the future. I talked with the homey JH and he's doing the same thing...I think 35% is a fair amount.