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bleekbeats
05-28-08, 01:01 PM
Crate Diggers Wet Dream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYLo2En3XSk)

Caught this video on Cratekings.com (http://Cratekings.com) about a secret (or really not so secret anymore) thrift shop in Brooklyn with a ****eload of vinyl hidden in its basement.

Which got me to thinking about when the last time was that I bought vinyl. You know what, it’s been a minute. Last time I can really remember scoring was in late August of 2006, I happened to be down in Tampa, Florida for a few days and ended up in some hick flea market where it seemed like every booth was selling guns… and there weren’t even any rappers in sight. But there was a small record store in there, and because well, let’s be honest here, the demographic that shopped in this store was clearly not into any form of black music, there were countless great records available for dirt cheap prices. I ended up buying about a hundred records. I rarely buy that many records at one time.

I might have bought a few pieces of vinyl at a street fair or something since that time, but really, I find myself searching for stuff online a lot more now. It’s just more cost effective, because these record stores in New York charge up the ass for even the ****tiest of **** records. It’s the newjack diggers, the ones who just started shopping for vinyl and wanna buy every record that Pete Rock or Premier ever sampled that ****s **** up for the rest of us. So now you’ve got places like Sound Library charging 30 dollars for some crap you can find in a dollar bin elsewhere, because some of their clientele is just that stupid. And that’s not to dis Sound Library, because I’ve bought records there before (maybe i’m the stupid one, seriously). Just sometimes I see these prices on vinyl that I already own, **** that I’ve copped for 50 cents somewhere else, and I’m like damn some fool is gonna part with his bread because he’s just too dumb and too lazy to look for it cheaper elsewhere.

Still, now what I find myself doing is going to a record store, going through vinyl, listening to records on the store’s turntables, and then noting down whether or not I like something before keeping it moving. Then I head home and try to find that same **** online. I know what you’re thinking, that whole process is pretty ***** made. You know what, it is. But so is the mark-up on the record itself. Sometimes I’d spend 25-30 dollars on a single record. **** that. If I can get it for free now, I will. Sure I lose out on the sound quality of the vinyl, and finding MP3s with good quality is tough, but at the same time a lot of my vinyl purchases are made just to be listened to, not even for sampling purposes, so to listen to an MP3 these days is not the worst thing in the world.

I wonder what the value of someone like a Pete Rock, Premier, Digging In The Crates Crew, or the Beatnuts might have been back in the day had the internet and digital music been around. I’m a huge fan of all these folks, and I’ve always been a bigger fan of sample-heavy hip-hop, but to me it seems like back then a producer’s value had a lot to do with just how crazy of a record collection they had. Meaning, did they have the hot records to sample. To a sample-based producer, great source material is their most valuable asset. But now a lot of this source material is available to everyone, so doesn’t that sort of change the dynamic of things? Additionally, is that a reason why a record produced one of the aforementioned producers (or one of their contemporaries) means less to people now than it did back then?

Has e-digging leveraged the act of digging in the crates just like the rise of digital music retailers like itunes and amazon leveraged traditional brick and mortar music stores? Like, if you’re a kid coming up and just getting into making tracks, will you ever actually make it to a record store at some point in your life and buy a piece of vinyl, or will your whole realm of thought be stuck in the digital world where you are so used to finding samples online that the idea of copping vinyl would be pointless?

Aje
05-28-08, 01:16 PM
I haven't had my geminis set up in a hot minute. I sold my CDJs last summer...basically all my DJ stuff is taking a back seat to producing. That's first of all...I haven't been to a record shop in a minute either. Perhaps last year I was at Fat Beats (I know you can't crate dig there but I'm just saying).

Here's what I think..not that anyone cares. But yeah, of course sampling from vinyl sounds a lot more warm than if you get the song in MP3 form or from YouTube but think about how much more material you can go through digitally then if you had to get to a record store, stand there and listen to the record and then buy it and then come back home. To me, it makes a lot more sense to just do it digitally first and if you do something that bumps and want that warm sound just cop the record and re-sample it later. There will be a ton of old school heads that think I'm speaking blasphomous but hey man...do you, bru'h.

DJ TEKNIK
05-28-08, 01:23 PM
Here's what I think..not that anyone cares. But yeah, of course sampling from vinyl sounds a lot more warm than if you get the song in MP3 form or from YouTube but think about how much more material you can go through digitally then if you had to get to a record store, stand there and listen to the record and then buy it and then come back home. To me, it makes a lot more sense to just do it digitally first and if you do something that bumps and want that warm sound just cop the record and re-sample it later. There will be a ton of old school heads that think I'm speaking blasphomous but hey man...do you, bru'h.


Nope you hit it right on the nose..

illwittdeez
05-28-08, 01:35 PM
crate digging is the backbone of a producer & dj but like aje stated both digital & physical crate digging have advantages & disadvantages. I don't or can afford a set of turntable so I'm a digital crate digger

Nabs
05-28-08, 01:47 PM
there's something special about the dust.

the puppetmaster
05-28-08, 02:41 PM
there's something special about the dust.

Yup, i'm lucky to be practically surrounded with record stores. Little beats that feeling of finding some bizarre album cover and rushing to peep whats on it. I usually start with your album cover, I don't get high but if you look like you went to the moon and back on your album cover on some space age shyt. . i'm fukkin wit u. it is nice to cyber-dig though. Now that I know how to rip vids and audio off of sites it opens up the library



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T O N Y M.
05-28-08, 04:04 PM
i don't think digging in the crates will ever be corny cus its a great way to discover great music from the past if nothing else

Big Jo
05-28-08, 04:47 PM
corny ain't the right word. dated maybe. but i'd do it.

Mr. Martinellis
05-28-08, 05:21 PM
there's something special about the dust.
:yes:

Mr. Martinellis
05-28-08, 05:22 PM
there's something special about the dust.
:yes:

Drumkitz
05-28-08, 06:29 PM
you can never lose diggin in the crates.. as long as you understand the era of music.. today sampling is rare.. more into a pop/r&b era right now.. hiphop has to regroup.. so until then.. sampling will be at minimal.. but diggin crates will never play out!!!... but im an mP3 guy... no record player...

JusticeBeatz
05-28-08, 07:25 PM
corny ain't the right word. dated maybe.


I agree

There is a ton of **** that ur NOT goin to be able to get on the NET......period!

I have **** in my collection that I have yet to find exist on the internet, and i'll be damned if i put it on! lol

That is the gift and the curse of diggn for me....you can spend $30 for a record sometimes, and can't get **** from it, except a snare. And then you can hit the $1 crates up and find a gem!

This may sound cliche, but I was always told you don't "cherish" something without going through some type of "hardship"....and $30 for NOTHING countless times, spending relentless hours digging, is the hardship.

But when u find those gems, and make classic beats(in my own mind), that's what makes it worthwhile. and u cherish it....

but hey, that's just me

on another note....not paying for your records, directly correlates to music today. So, u don't pay for your record. Can't expect someone to pay for yours!

that's how i always looked at it

bleekbeats
05-28-08, 08:12 PM
Im will always be a digital digger but now I am getting into crate diggin. I probably would never ever searching on line for some of the things you find in an old record store. just by looking at the album cover make you want to pick it up and listen to it. I like it a lot.

The Nastiest
05-28-08, 09:03 PM
Shawty Lo just had a huge hit off a sample, so it's not obsolete. You just gotta know how to flip what you're hearing to stay up with the times.

"Corny" shouldn't even be on your mind if you're a real producer

eboknows1234
05-28-08, 09:39 PM
ill be diggin the crates till i die

FrostBite
05-29-08, 01:41 AM
Crate digging won't die simply because that's what hip-hop was built on. However, anybody who is completely opposed to online digging in 2008 is foolish. The internet has given us a virtually unlimited amount of music at our fingertips. If someone is opposed to that, then it's their loss. Online digging can also speed up the process of actual crate digging. Find something you like online and if you really want the record, then go buy it. You're going to find stuff online that you won't find in a record store and vice versa. Producers should just keep an open mind about digging for music wherever they can find it.

Ejay614
05-29-08, 01:57 AM
nothin like diggin