Em's Verse on Renegade is the most overrated verse in History...

[Bone$]

Thanks Nas. I just read a nygga say it took over and stole the light from Jays Blueprint album. :dry: Mufuka, is u crazy???

Shyt was okay, stop fukn overrating that shyt man. Em song and verse was already made, jay came thru and added fire to that shyt...

Mufukas stop reaching, damn...

[kingofthings]

Thanks Nas. I just read a nygga say it took over and stople the light from Jays Blueprint album. :dry: Mufuka, is u crazy???
Shyt was okay, stop fukn overrating that shyt man. Em song and verse was already made, jay came thru and added fire to that shyt...

I think what made it worse was Em's verse was already on there before Jay decided to add his verse.

Fukk the controversy though, Em's second verse was fiyah!!!

[RisAri0]

Em song and verse was already made, jay came thru and added fire to that shyt...
Mufukas stop reaching, damn...

u stop reaching saying its overrated.. even after Jay heard his verse he still couldn't get away from being murdered, Jay's verses was ill.. but cot damn at Eminem's flow, rhyme patterns with added substance.. my very 1st reaction was :ohmy: more than Jigga's verse, honestly..

[pop203]

i agree, but i still think he spanked jay-z.

[Lmac]

I hate Eminem but he did his thing on that joint.

[Bone$]

u stop reaching saying its overrated.. even after Jay heard his verse he still couldn't get away from being murdered, Jay's verses was ill.. but cot damn at Eminem's flow, rhyme patterns with added substance.. my very 1st reaction was :ohmy: more than Jigga's verse, honestly..
at the time u where probably a em stanley

[RisAri0]

at the time u where probably a em stanley

if a stanley is admiring one man's talent to have a way with words like Eminem did at that time, then guilty...

[Keep_It_Hip_Hop_Fam]

I ain't really a fan of Marshall but his multis, flow, delivery were on some other **** on Renegade

[Bone$]

A lot of ya'll is just naming **** for the sake of naming something. I mean, stick to the thread title, cuz you gotta realize Eminem stole the album on The Blueprint, not the show. He blacked out that crazy.
But I do wanna say Bleek got everybody on "As One", haha
:smh:

[Gawd Intellect]

If that verse is considered overrated, the entire Blueprint is overrated being that you would be pressed to find Camel man spit anything better on that album.

He got bodied by shady, point blank period.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

the point is...em already had his verses laid, and jay, someone known for merking cats on their own tracks, still couldn't convincingly craft two verses that could stack up to them, even given all the time in the world to do so

[TheMechanic]

SMH@ a Wayne stan callin someone's lyrics overrated.:smh:

[RuyrazN]

when em goes in not many emcees can compete, cant blame jay

[Bone$]

the point is...em already had his verses laid, and jay, someone known for merking cats on their own tracks, still couldn't convincingly craft two verses that could stack up to them, even given all the time in the world to do so
how does the jay verses on there not body that track, and nyggas wasnt saying that em shyt till nas did

[Mertbag]

man I could care less about eminem and have only like 3 enimem songs on my computer and I know this thread title is false.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

how does the jay verses on there not body that track, and nyggas wasnt saying that em shyt till nas did

i never said that jay didn't body the track, i thought he did very well, but the point is, he still couldn't CONVINCINGLY, in the eyes of the general consensus beat those verses, even though he had the advantage in crafting his wayyyyyyy last, thats what makes it even worse

and you're a damn lie if you're trying to say that nobody said that em ate him on that track before nas said, there were plenty of people who were saying that sh1t, but after nas said it, jay-z haters had a new joke other than the camel stuff to run with

[Shot 9 Times]

I don't even like Eminem, but that is one of the few verses of his that I like.

He himself is overrated though.

[e.moore]

eminem got him but i mean its hard to outshine em at his lyrical best

[RawDro]

em killed jay imo

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin' his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a mother****in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin' to do but make you look stupid as parents
You ****in do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist


:ohmy::ohmy:

m put more emotion in the hook as well, that proved 2 me em was better IMO

[NYSpic]

jay killed it but em was just on another level

[doeboy]

the point is...em already had his verses laid, and jay, someone known for merking cats on their own tracks, still couldn't convincingly craft two verses that could stack up to them, even given all the time in the world to do soit wasnt that type of track tho. i doubt that jay's main objective was to go in there and try to outdo those em verses. it wasnt a symphony, banned from tv, john blaze, reservoir dogs type joint were the main objective is go in the booth and just spit. that was a song where those 2 were kicking sh1t that was from the heart, sh1t that was real to them. you talk about jay not being able to outdo those verses even with all the time in the world as if you were in the booth with dude and watched him sitting there racking his brains on some "i just got to top these verses man" type sh1t. he held his own imo, but those verses arent even among the best of his career.

i agree with dude, those em verses are incredibly overrated. i give nas more props for fuking cats heads up than i do em for those verses.

[Shot 9 Times]

"I ain't a politician but I kick it wit' 'em a minute"

That was always my favorite line

[Bone$]

i never said that jay didn't body the track, i thought he did very well, but the point is, he still couldn't CONVINCINGLY, in the eyes of the general consensus beat those verses, even though he had the advantage in crafting his wayyyyyyy last, thats what makes it even worse

and you're a damn lie if you're trying to say that nobody said that em ate him on that track before nas said, there were plenty of people who were saying that sh1t, but after nas said it, jay-z haters had a new joke other than the camel stuff to run with
going second doesnt neccessarily give an advantage, origanal emcee had heard and projected where said song will go, em dictated the place the song would go, and hova bodied it with real shyt

I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hopeDo not step to me - I'm awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green upRaisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
Big I did it - multi before I die (n***a)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight

[Warren]

i listened to this track today, and yeah Em kills it. Jay's second verse was nice though

[Sunzoo aka LC]

it wasnt that type of track tho. i doubt that jay's main objective was to go in there and try to outdo those em verses. it wasnt a symphony, banned from tv, john blaze, reservoir dogs type joint were the main objective is go in the booth and just spit. that was a song where those 2 were kicking sh1t that was from the heart, sh1t that was real to them. you talk about jay not being able to outdo those verses even with all the time in the world as if you were in the booth with dude and watched him sitting there racking his brains on some "i just got to top these verses man" type sh1t. he held his own imo, but those verses arent even among the best of his career.
i agree with dude, those em verses are incredibly overrated. i give nas more props for fuking cats heads up than i do for em for those verses.

i don't matter what jay's intentions were, personally i give them a tie, but you can't change the fact that a lot of people thought em got the best of him on that track, and he spit his verses AFTER THE FACT

jay's reputation, for murdering n1ggas on tracks, was null and void here

lol@ trying to discount those verses for the sake of some fanboy sh1t

[cz817]

Em's 1st verse >>> 2nd verse

[Bone$]

hova first verse for reference purposes

Motherfukas -
say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels (bling bling)
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it's just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters and they live with their moms got drop roasters from botched robberies nyggas crouched over
mommies knocked up cause she wasn't wached over knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
no he's not around tnow how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that fukd up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it i help them see their way through it - not you cant step in my pants cant walk in my shoes bet everything you worth you lose your tie and your shirt

[Willie Mays]

great song

4 great verses

[Sunzoo aka LC]

going second doesnt neccessarily give an advantage

yes it does, stop making excuses

blah blah blah

yea, i loved jays verses, that don't change the fact that even when he went last, he didn't convincingly best em, during this collabo

so what happened? are em's verses really overrated? are jays underrated? or are you going to come up with another excuse, and say that jay wasn't trying, or that em "dictated the track", you reaching for straws my dude

[RuyrazN]

Hip hop is missing em right now, it's a shame.

[N*IT*2*WIN*IT]

sh!t is overrated but still better than Hovs' verses

[Bone$]

nas won
damn, nas needs additional kudos for his performance on ether

[Bone$]

If that verse is considered overrated, the entire Blueprint is overrated being that you would be pressed to find Camel man spit anything better on that album.
He got bodied by shady, point blank period.
:dry:

nyggas act like em has 5 verses that compete with jays top 20 verses, he doesnt, not even fukn close

[NOTaFreeEmailAccount]

nyggas wasnt saying that em shyt till nas did

Nah, everyone was thinking it if not saying it. Nas just said it on a multi-platinum album. Didn't the Source give Eminem the quotable in the same issue Blueprint got 5-mics?

IMO "Lyrical Exercise" is the best song on Blueprint, not "Renegade", but Eminem fukking slaughtered those two verses. Each verse is like a manifesto about his place in the world, talking about the Catholic church and being baptized in holy water to the point of drowning and shiit. Jay has little metaphors about "pockets full of hope", which is cute, but that's it.

Not like Jay was embarrassed, tho. Nas talked as if Jay was embarrassed, which was going too far. WTF can you do to discredit Em's verses, tho? Nothing. Everyone knows they're classic. So if you want Jay to compete you gotta raise his verses to classic status, which they aren't. You can highlight 4-5 lines of Jay's as standout, but basically all of Eminem's are impressive.

Nas took it too far by acting like Jay got embarrassed. So if you sense something's "wrong", that's what it is. This in another situation where the thing to do is blame Nas. :yes:

After all, didn't AZ have the best verse on Illmatic?

[Sunzoo aka LC]

damn, nas needs additional kudos for his performance on ether

lol coppin pleas

:dry:
nyggas act like em has 5 verses that compete with jays top 20 verses, he doesnt, not even fukn close

he does, you'd be better off comparing their catalogs, not verses if you looking for an automatic win for jay

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Nah, everyone was thinking it if not saying it. Nas just said it on a multi-platinum album. Didn't the Source give Eminem the quotable in the same issue Blueprint got 5-mics?

IMO "Lyrical Exercise" is the best song on Blueprint, not "Renegade", but Eminem fukking slaughtered those two verses. Each verse is like a manifesto about his place in the world, talking about the Catholic church and being baptized in holy water to the point of drowning and shiit. Jay has little metaphors about "pockets full of hope", which is cute, but that's it.

Not like Jay was embarrassed, tho. Nas talked as if Jay was embarrassed, which was going too far. WTF can you do to discredit Em's verses, tho? Nothing. Everyone knows they're classic. So if you want Jay to compete you gotta raise his verses to classic status, which they aren't. You can highlight 4-5 lines of Jay's as standout, but basically all of Eminem's are impressive.

Nas took it too far by acting like Jay got embarrassed. So if you sense something's "wrong", the thing to do is blame Nas. :yes:

After all, didn't AZ have the best verse on Illmatic?

cs

[doeboy]

i don't matter what jay's intentions were, personally i give them a tie, but you can't change the fact that a lot of people thought em got the best of him on that track, and he spit his verses AFTER THE FACT
jay's reputation, for murdering n1ggas on tracks, was null and void here
lol@ trying to discount those verses for the sake of some fanboy sh1t"lol @" you tryna discredit what im saying with that weakass "fanboy" sh1t. especially when you stay with an em picture repping yourself. i didnt attempt to discount those verses, im speaking my opinion. what youre saying is basura. "jay's reputation for murking dudes on tracks was null and void here", the hell are you talking about? as if everybody in the world thought that dude was undefeated on every collabo track he had done up to that point. i know ppl who thought that beans was getting him on his share of tracks on the dynasty joint. ppl who think that sauce had the best verse on bring it on, ect. my point here is that ive never seen this as a serious issue outside of the net. all that "the point is jay couldnt get him with all the time in the world" is going over the top. i just dont think it was that serious.cshow the fuk are you going to cosign some1 saying that em's verses are clearly better, when you just got thru telling me that it was a tie in your opinion? what are you scared of man? youre talking out ya ass.

[fundz]

lol...Eminem is overrated as shyt off the internet (which was the platform I was getting most of the feedback at the time) but it was pretty much unanimous the notion, that Em basically stole the spotlight and the entire show...Jay was straddling through the entire record lyrically being carried by the beats, choruses, and brilliant moments here and there and shyt but as soon as he concluded his first verse on Renegade it's like a syringe of energy and actual liveliness was injected into the album...Em's flow on that shyt is was made it a wrap...fukk his second verse, shyt was inferior to or at least ON PAR with Jay's first...but Em's first verse...man, the way he delivered that shyt made Jay look real average...the cadence, the alliteration, it wasn't even close

[Bone$]

"lol @" you tryna discredit what im saying with that weakass "fanboy" sh1t. especially when you stay with an em picture repping yourself. i didnt attempt to discount those verses, im speaking my opinion. what youre saying is basura. "jay's reputation for murking dudes on tracks was null and void here", the hell are you talking about? as if everybody in the world thought that dude was undefeated on every collabo track he had done up to that point. i know ppl who thought that beans was getting him on his share of tracks on the dynasty joint. ppl who think that sauce had the best verse on bring it on, ect. my point here is that ive never seen this as a serious issue outside of the net. all that "the point is jay couldnt get him with all the time in the world" is going over the top. i just dont think it was that serious.how the fuk are you going to cosign some1 saying that em's verses are clearly better, when you just got thru telling me that it was a tie in your opinion? what are you scared of man? youre talking out ya ass.
c/s
and em owes hova coutless thank yous for putting him on the blueprint. these 2 verses and maybe the shyt on fif shyt are the only verses 90 percent of nyggas know word for word.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

"lol @" you tryna discredit what im saying with that weakass "fanboy" sh1t. especially when you stay with an em picture repping yourself. i didnt attempt to discount those verses, im speaking my opinion.

this whole thread, is based on discounting those verses, that comment wasn't specifically aimed at you

what youre saying is basura. "jay's reputation for murking dudes on tracks was null and void here", the hell are you talking about? as if everybody in the world thought that dude was undefeated on every collabo track he had done up to that point.

is jay known for killing guest appearances or not? if yes, he didn't accomplish that task on this song, he "kept up"

i know ppl who thought that beans was getting him on his share of tracks on the dynasty joint. my point here is that ive never seen this as a serious issue outside of the net. all that "the point is jay couldnt get him with all the time in the world" is going over the top. i just dont think it was that serious.

how is that going over the top? it's the truth, jay got to go last, and still did not convincingly spit nicer than eminem to the general consensus, the only reason why it's "over the top" is because you're a jay fanatic....are you mad at the truth? and who said it was serious? what you can't discuss hip hop unless it's a life altering discussion?

[Easy-E]

you know what, someone brought up a great point, Eminem had a technically impressive verse and Jay wasn't real complex wit it, but let's be real, the notion Jay was murdered is standaknowgy

It was one of the few things haters and stans from 'Ether' could hold on to

[TheMechanic]

c/s
and em owes hova coutless thank yous for putting him on the blueprint. these 2 verses and maybe the shyt on fif shyt are the only verses 90 percent of nyggas know word for word.





Yeah the white boy was really having problems selling albums before jay put him on his cd:dry:

[Sunzoo aka LC]

what are you scared of man? youre talking out ya ass.

i co-signed the notion that "jay got embarrased" was a little too far, i didn't agree with the verse "clearly" being better, i co-signed the general tone of homies post

do you see...how emotional you are? stop being so sensative my nigg, you're jumping the gun, as usual

[fundz]

you know what, someone brought up a great point, Eminem had a technically impressive verse and Jay wasn't real complex wit it, but let's be real, the notion Jay was murdered is standaknowgy
It was one of the few things haters and stans from 'Ether' could hold on to

Ain't got nothing to do with Ether...technically Em was the better emcee, and you just conceded that...how anyone chooses to word Jay's inferiority on said track has nothing do with being a stan or whatever

[Bone$]

Yeah the white boy was really having problems selling albums before jay put him on his cd:dry:
mechanic ill beat u the fuk up.


it wasnt about selling cds bruh, lots of people have sold records...

[midwest chevy boy]

Ain't got nothing to do with Ether...technically Em was the better emcee, and you just conceded that...how anyone chooses to word Jay's inferiority on said track has nothing do with being a stan or whatever
c/s

Em was the better emcee on that track.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Ain't got nothing to do with Ether...technically Em was the better emcee, and you just conceded that...how anyone chooses to word Jay's inferiority on said track has nothing do with being a stan or whatever

exactly

[TruthB4Hate]

Thanks Nas. I just read a nygga say it took over and stole the light from Jays Blueprint album. :dry: Mufuka, is u crazy???
Shyt was okay, stop fukn overrating that shyt man. Em song and verse was already made, jay came thru and added fire to that shyt...
Mufukas stop reaching, damn...

eminem killed that ****. you don't have to like it, you may like jay's verses better, but there's no denying em ripped that ****, harder than jay did.

and the fact that jay heard em's verses and still couldn't top them just adds to the fact. em's verses on renegade >>>> any other verse(s) on that whole album. i'm sorry. move on now.

[Easy-E]

Ain't got nothing to do with Ether...technically Em was the better emcee, and you just conceded that...how anyone chooses to word Jay's inferiority on said track has nothing do with being a stan or whatever

I'll take that, Eminem did his thing, the best I've heard from him, but IMO it was a balanced track honestly, but this revisionism does nothing really

[Bone$]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaPaNe8xCc&feature=related

here is the song done live, em come out looking all fukn corny and shyt :laugh: doo rag and one of the corny jordan hats , mufuka go get u a fukn fitted