"LIFE AFTER DEATH ISN'T CLASSIC" = SOHH FULL OF 90's BABIES

[BostonFACE]

thanks for making a difference :rolleyes:

actually,considering someone jst spewed the fact that something is 'classic' and theyre alltime fav. song,,i jst found it funny that they didnt know one of the rappers most famous lines,From that joint.
so..ya.
:smoker:

[eseenee]

anyone who says LAD >>> RTD is a transexual.

[HIPHOPmastermind]

The threadstarter is an idiot, granted, but LAD is a certified fukkin classic. Disc 2 had fillers? To who? You? lol...shyt is straight to me. The album's achieved so much and won too many accolades for ya'll to just pick it apart like it was some medicore 97 release. It's aged perfectly too.
What's funny is the same people in here downplaying its greatness don't got no problems whatsoever with AEOM. Like it ain't got no fillers. Like it ain't a stepdown from MATW. These nyggas is penchant/hate-driven. Everything that LAD is guilty of, AEOM is aslo guilty of. If one isn't a classic, I don't even see how the other can be.


LOL, why do I got to be all that?. I'm only pulling the card of the 90's babies and all the revisionist hip hop message board historains that like to turn fact into fantasy:

"Life After Death" is a CLASSIC = Fact

"Life After Death" is weak or average or not Classic = Revisionist History

Doesn't mean you have to agree, but the reality is this album is considered a Classic in almost all circles of Hip Hop, Fans, and Emcees themselves. But I'm glad though you think I'm an Idioit, you agree with me. LOL.

[Stimulate_Uk]

i ripped this joint today after seeing this thread and listened to it....it probably is a classic but "anything" is just plain wack

[Diggy_Dat_Niggy]

album was straight heat....I got a story to tell = sonic crack

[HIPHOPmastermind]

album was straight heat....I got a story to tell = sonic crack
Biggie dropped 3 of the illest stories ever on "Life After Death". "Somebody's Got To Die", "N*ggas Bleed" & "I got a Story Tell" put Biggie amongst the best if not the best storytellers Ever. Here's an interesting look at "I Got A Story To Tell" from the Making of "Life After Death" from XXL:

“I Got A Story To Tell”

Produced by Buckwild, co-produced by Chucky Thompson and Puffy

Buckwild:

Big picked beats on vibe, and he was looking for beats to fit into the album. Big was the type of dude where there could be 50 people in the room and you think he wouldn’t be listening. You’d play him 50 beats and you’d think he wasn’t paying attention, ’cause he’s sitting there smoking and zoning out. And then at the end, he’d be like, I want number 12, and put number 30 on a tape. The song was done, and everyone was telling me the song was incredible. That was all I kept hearing. But we had big problems with the sample. It almost didn’t make the album. Working with Puff, it was a blessing that he had people who could come in and get him around the sample issues. Chucky [Thompson], being an excellent musician, he replayed it and found the exact same sound. Chuck just had to change one or two notes. If I played the original and I played the sample, there’s nothing really different.

Chucky Thompson:

Puff played me songs, trying to get me amped. He played me “I Got A Story To Tell,” and I just loved it. But him and Harve said they can’t use it because of a problem with a sample. I knew what was needed. It was the night of the Grammys. So I went straight from the Grammys to Daddy’s House, and I’m in there with a tuxedo just trying to finish up, ’cause they was wrapping the album up. Puff really didn’t understand what I was doing. I think the pressure was on him. He was like, “We’re just going to scrap the song.” I told him to just relax. Just leave the room, go pressure your ass somewhere else. Let me deal with this.
I liked the original way Buckwild done it. All we had to do was take a piece out, which in the original sample was really just the harp part. I knew if I could get it to the point where it’s unrecognizable, we were good. So I went in, grabbed the guitar and started filling in the pieces. I took the same melodies. I just changed a few of the instruments. I moved it from harp to the guitar, put a little bit of harp in there, but anybody that knows that original record is probably scratching their head, like, “How the hell did he…?”

D-Dot:

I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard a rapper rap through a story—rap you a story and then tell you the whole story again without rapping it. In “I Got A Story To Tell” Big tells you the story about how he met this chick. She was wild, he went to the crib not knowing that she’s ****ing with this basketball guy. The basketball player guy comes home, and in order to get out of there, Big had to pretend he was robbing her. So it looks like she’s getting robbed as opposed to having sex with Big. Then after he finishes the story, the beat plays on and then he goes back and tells you exactly what he rapped about, in case you didn’t catch it, like he’s telling it to his boys. That’s the creative part that I’d never seen anyone do.

So here is that track Chucky was taking about with the original Harp sample that he replayed for the album version:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/12182678d72ce046/
("I Got A Story To Tell" Original Version)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8nS1nAWLsds
("I Got A Story To Tell" LP Version)

[IGOD777]

Classic album in spite of Diddy. I have the newest Biggie dvd and I remember people who knew Biggie saying he didn't like the direction Diddy was taking him.
But, despite that he was able to drop a classic. Ready To Die was better though. I disagree with LAD changing the game though.
Being in NYC back then and going to parties and The Skate Key in The BX, it was obvious that Diddy's "No Way Out" was the album that changed the game along with Ma$e's "Harlem World."
The sad shyt about Big's passing and Diddy's emergence was how Diddy was everywhere, followed by Hov's emergence in 98.
Let's not forget that Pac still ran Hip Hop, even more after he died. Big didn't get a chance to really make the legacy that he should've had because Diddy was always pulling the strings.

[HIPHOPmastermind]

Classic album in spite of Diddy. I have the newest Biggie dvd and I remember people who knew Biggie saying he didn't like the direction Diddy was taking him.
But, despite that he was able to drop a classic. Ready To Die was better though. I disagree with LAD changing the game though.
Being in NYC back then and going to parties and The Skate Key in The BX, it was obvious that Diddy's "No Way Out" was the album that changed the game along with Ma$e's "Harlem World."
The sad shyt about Big's passing and Diddy's emergence was how Diddy was everywhere, followed by Hov's emergence in 98.
Let's not forget that Pac still ran Hip Hop, even more after he died. Big didn't get a chance to really make the legacy that he should've had because Diddy was always pulling the strings.


"Life After Death" is the BLUEPRINT to "No Way Not" & "Harlem World"

How can you say both Ma$e and Diddy's album changed the game when both of those albums were modeled off the formula that yes Puff help to create but it was the forumla that Biggie made successful. Without the success of "Life After Death" both of those albums don't sell half of what they did. The whole Bad Boy Movement in 1997 was spearheaded by the release and again success of "Life After Death". Nobody would of taken "No Way Out" seriously without the 4 classic songs Biggie was on:

"Victory"
"Benji's"
"Young G's"
"Been Around The World" (which was basically "Mo Money Mo Problems" Part. II)


Now Ma$e was his own artist so I think he would of been successful reguardless but being on Big's album only made people check for Harlem World more. I agree with you though about Big not being able to live out his success. He got to live it out a little but imagine if he was here in 98 and 99. The album sold so many records, he would of been running hip hop no question.

[Heavy Handz]

uhm.....those two albums aren't exactly that great if you aren't some stan of either artist.
all eyez on me:
ambitions as a ridah
pain
life after death:
10crack
kic n da door
story2tell
phuckin tonite
maybe one or two others.
versus
two whole albums of bangers that you don't have to ff to get to the good stuff.
sorry i will take the mobb deep offering.
i will take wutang forever over LAD, AEOM too.
plus not to mention when it comes to double albums released in the time period wholeheartedly in any genre. AEOM, & LAD pale in comparison to:
SMASHing PUMPKINs
meloncholy and infinite sadness which really was the album that started the whole double album thing again in the industry, at the time.
just the same way rap tried to do the one album every year ala pearl jam when busta rhymes decided he could do it. then everyone else in rap tried to follow suit with a bunch of lackluster yearly released over pr'd offerings.
art barr

Stan of either artist? What does that make you of Mobb Deep? NOBODY would EVER list that as some top notch double album of ANY genre EVER...

Now you're bringing Smashing Pumpkins into this without even verifying exactly WHAT classic content is on the Mobb Deep record? :laugh: It's PATHETIC that you're bringing a rock album into this discussion... That is meaningless to me... And what on earth does any of the shyt about rappers making albums year after year have to do with Biggie when he only had two records... '94 / '97 :confused: You're rambling and you make no sense...

[Blackman28]

If LAD is a classic then IWW is a certified classic...take that hiphopmastermind.

[DAT NICCA FEZ]

If LAD is a classic then IWW is a certified classic...take that hiphopmastermind.
what does 1 have to do with the other? :huh:

[Blackman28]

what does 1 have to do with the other? :huh:

Mind ya business...the threadstarter will understand what I'm talking about.

[IGOD777]

"Life After Death" is the BLUEPRINT to "No Way Not" & "Harlem World"
How can you say both Ma$e and Diddy's album changed the game when both of those albums were modeled off the formula that yes Puff help to create but it was the forumla that Biggie made successful. Without the success of "Life After Death" both of those albums don't sell half of what they did. The whole Bad Boy Movement in 1997 was spearheaded by the release and again success of "Life After Death". Nobody would of taken "No Way Out" seriously without the 4 classic songs Biggie was on:
"Victory"
"Benji's"
"Young G's"
"Been Around The World" (which was basically "Mo Money Mo Problems" Part. II)
Now Ma$e was his own artist so I think he would of been successful reguardless but being on Big's album only made people check for Harlem World more. I agree with you though about Big not being able to live out his success. He got to live it out a little but imagine if he was here in 98 and 99. The album sold so many records, he would of been running hip hop no question.I feel you my dude. I don't know if you're from NYC or not, but I felt like when Diddy and Ma$e blew up, they brought back Harlem in Hip Hop and it seems like Bad Boy forgot BIG and Diddy wanted to really put out Ma$e at the expense of BIG's legacy.

Ma$e always seemed more like Diddy so it seemed like Diddy was really in love with him. Even when Ma$e left the game, the story of Diddy literally begging Ma$e to stay. I don't know whether that would happen if BIG wanted to leave.

I can tell you for a fact that if BIG would've been from LA, LAD would've really changed the game like All Eyez On Me did.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

what does 1 have to do with the other? :huh:

he's saying that like illmatic, RTD is a hard act to follow

n1ggas don't consider IWW a classic across the board, because they compare it to illmatic and view it as a let down...a lot of people even look at it as nas SELLING OUT/going commercial because it was a bit more glitsy than the grimey ass illmatic

it's the same type of transition from the first album to the next, but because big is gone, n1ggas give him extra credit for it, while a lot of people sh1t on IWW just for stupid sh1t like putting l boogie on a hook, dude is being held to a different standard by fan/stans out of nostalgia

[DAT NICCA FEZ]

Classic album in spite of Diddy. I have the newest Biggie dvd and I remember people who knew Biggie saying he didn't like the direction Diddy was taking him.
But, despite that he was able to drop a classic. Ready To Die was better though. I disagree with LAD changing the game though.
Being in NYC back then and going to parties and The Skate Key in The BX, it was obvious that Diddy's "No Way Out" was the album that changed the game along with Ma$e's "Harlem World."
The sad shyt about Big's passing and Diddy's emergence was how Diddy was everywhere, followed by Hov's emergence in 98.
Let's not forget that Pac still ran Hip Hop, even more after he died. Big didn't get a chance to really make the legacy that he should've had because Diddy was always pulling the strings.
this is some real **** right here..
Diddy was always overshadowing B.I.G.s talent

even in the Mo Money, Mo Problems video, what do people remember most?
..was it Biggies verse? ..nope, it was Diddy playing golf against Fuzzy Badfeet.

Who remembers Suges comments about Puff attention whoring?
"You want your CEO...all in the video, dancing in the video" :laugh: He was telling the truth. That basically how I see it also.

Diddy was the one who took East Coast hip hop in the direction it went because he was responsible for the direction Biggie went in. And "No Way Out" was definitely a bigger influence in the "shiny suit" era than LAD. LAD compared to No Way Out is a street record..lol.

[KILLA QUEENS2]

:thumbsdow:smh: If I read one of you lames write this again, you card is going to be pulled. Stop with the revisionist history. If you weren't atleast 13 when this album dropped then you have no idea of it's impact or influence on hip hop. And don't give me no "Well I went back and listened to it", in 1997 you had to be into hip hop to get what this album did to the game. How does an album that has these tracks on it, isn't a CLASSIC:
SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DIE
HYPNOTIZE
KICK IN THE DOOR
I LOVE THE DOUGH
LAST DAYZ
MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS
*****S BLEED
WHAT'S BEEF
I GOT A STORY TO TELL
NOTORIOUS THUGS
10 CRACK COMMANDMENTS
MISS U
GOING BACK TO CALI
SKY'S THE LIMIT
MY DOWNFALL
LONG KISS GOODNIGHT
YOUR NOBODY TILL SOMEBODY KILLS YOU
:smh: Fu*k a Classic, "Life After Death" is a Masterpiece and there hasn't been many albums that you can put above it in the 11 years since it dropped. I mean seriously I've read "It has to many fillers". Even if you don't like the commerical tracks like "The World Is Filled" and "F*ckin U Tonite" they were still tight. The only true weak cuts and skip tracks are "Another" and "Nasty Boy". "Playa Hata" wasn't that serious and was pretty funny. The bottom line this is Hip Hop at it's best and there hasn't been a single emcee since Big that has been able to flawlessly mix Commerical and Street to the satisfaction of a complete album like this. Even Nas and Jay Z wish they made a double on the level of this:
"Life After Death" > "Blueprint 2"
"Life After Death" > "Street's Disciple"
That's All :king:

Damn MIKE you doing big things over here too, play on playboy.

[Bondz]

**** like mo money and hypniotize along with the whole bad boy era killed rap



How did those songs kill the state pf rap? If anything, Life After Death had a major impact on the game whether or not biggie was alive to see the fruits of his labor or dead. It is a ground breaking album showing the diversity Biggie was to embrace us with. This album is immaculate via production and impact.

[Art Barr]

Stan of either artist? What does that make you of Mobb Deep? NOBODY would EVER list that as some top notch double album of ANY genre EVER...
Now you're bringing Smashing Pumpkins into this without even verifying exactly WHAT classic content is on the Mobb Deep record? :laugh: It's PATHETIC that you're bringing a rock album into this discussion... That is meaningless to me... And what on earth does any of the shyt about rappers making albums year after year have to do with Biggie when he only had two records... '94 / '97 :confused: You're rambling and you make no sense...


i mentioned the double album of sp, because that is what made record companies think they could capitalize on a trend.

no one in rap was thinking of using that as a selling point till SP did it.......

it was why i also mentioned pearl jam and their one album a year, or every eight month scheduling. i mentioned it to say where they lifted the practice from. that whole manufactured practice is also why LAD & AEOM all have so much filler. it is because those albums are crafted to be double albums, and not made into a double album because the artist created a whole host of above quality material.

sorry if you couldn't correlate that and i had to put it in text. it was implied but i think anyone who was around knew this as a fact.

LAD was more planning to be something than, just releasing a host of material. the reason i list FREE AGENTS as the best because top to bottom it has the best offering of rap music out of all the double albums. that is what buyin an album is supposed to be about. not a bunch of pussie a55 pr, to build up or overplay what technically wasn't on the album.

biggie LAD, was always overrated...and like i said;

i can take out my triple vinyl lp, to LAD, and i wouldn't be able to make anyone sit through a listening of it. let alone, how many times we would have to skip all the filler, to get to the downright classic good stuff. that is not a classic album, but an album that contains classic songs. that doesn't make it a classic record. nor does a bunch of oversaturated d!cklickin and posturing in the press, so they seem relevent either.


art barr

[infamouswubird]

life after death is a classic and i was 10 when it dropped. every album that ever came out after it has copied from its formula.it was the universal rap album everyone could like.while i like wu forever more, thats cause i like that style more. BIG made a cd for everyone right there. if big made a cd filled wit *****s bleed it woulda been classic still but it woulda lost its universal appeal.

[HIPHOPmastermind]

If LAD is a classic then IWW is a certified classic...take that hiphopmastermind.

Well that's an interesting debate because NaS fans feel like "It Was Written" doesn't get the historical credit it derserves. But it's almost revisionist history to act like people "Slept" on it. The album sold 2 Million over 4 Million worldwide. It gave Nas his "BASE" fanbase that still brings him to platinum till this day. It's just the critics and "Illmatic" fans really killed it but time has been kind to "It Was Written". The Source ranked it 4 Mics. I would say it's 4.5 Mics. Now is it a classic?, I would say more of a Fan Classic. "Stillmatic" is Nas's 2nd Classic but I don't get mad at fans who think "It Was Written" was a classic. Again, "Illmatic" is NaS's best album. Both Big's albums are up for debate. It depends on who you talk to which one is the best. So when people say Nas got some unfair critisim but remember Big was on that commerical ish from his first album. NaS really wasn't on that so that's why people were so critical because it was like he did a 180 where as Big just elevated his formulas:


Ready To Die = The Godfather, Termintor
Life After Death = The Godfather II, Termintor II

All Classics and it's hard to say which is better than the others.

[HIPHOPmastermind]

those are the only standouts on a double disc. ask ya self how is that a classic full double lp.
it isn't and honestly if LAD is a classic, then honestly BP II can lay claim to that title because it has just as many if not more tracks. maybe some aren't seen as classic. but yet and still the realistic review of BP II puts into perspective how actually lackluster LAD actually is.
if i was in person at your crib with the long player on wax,...yall would get tired of how many times we would have to get up and move the needle. then take out the other wax, listen to one or two songs. then the same over and over again.
that isn't a classic record.
my smashing pumpking triple LP, on vinyl. i can bang all the way through, and that is rock and ain't rap. rock is much harder to make good and digestible. not to mention at the time period rock was held in the same how can i be down aesthetic that was destroyed from the wrinkle in time of LAD. so i fail to see how LAD is this classic record from top to bottom. the songs you listed are the good or classic moments and that is it, barring the inclusion of the madrapper interlude. plus, tha pumpkins also were mired in being the end all be all after curt's death, and actually delivered. LAD, is just posthumous pr d!cklickin when it came to making a real actual credible review.
art barr


So now "Blueprint 2" is messing with "Life After Death"?. Dog, that's just not respectable. "Blueprint 2" is one of Jay's worst albums where as "Life After Death" is one of the greatest albums in hip hop history. LOL @ "Lackluster", the only thing "Lackluster" is Jay dropping a weak double album after dropping a Classic album. It had to be one of the strongest drop off in quailty in hip hop history. But Jay proved his legendary status by recovering with "The Black Album".

[danja29]

Any late, lame niqqas who try to say that album isn't a classic... should have their heads slapped off their shoulders by their older siblings.

Even if you don't like it personally, it's too late- your opinion will not and cannot change history. If you didn't experience that album and everything it did, you have no say on the matter. It's already documented.

[fundz]

Your opinion but I strongly disagree. Eminem takes you through what is going on with all the emotion involved and even voices Kim, amazing storytelling.

What's going on? You mean his 2nd reenactment of the fake killing of his wife? The fukk? The emotion? He voices kim? That's meant to earn him extra brownie points? Eminem does nothing but bytch and moan and cry and whine and whimper the whole time, it's downright unlistenable. There is nothing applaudable about the song, at all. Want a creative Em? Peep As The World Turns. MMLP is cool, but Kim is a very, very garbage song.

It's only a few bars anyway. Not much longer than those couple of lines from What's Beef :gag:

:huh:

i never said only filler-free albums are classic.

But you only listed a handful of filler songs from LAD. And it's a double disc album. Em, with a single disc, also has a handful of songs that could be (that's where opinions come in) considered filler. This little back and forth is retarded cuz it don't change the fact that you nit-picking and fussing over the difference between classics with some filler and classics with a little more than some filler... does little to rewrite the historically accurate notion that LAD is classic.

[Heavy Handz]

i mentioned the double album of sp, because that is what made record companies think they could capitalize on a trend.
no one in rap was thinking of using that as a selling point till SP did it.......
it was why i also mentioned pearl jam and their one album a year, or every eight month scheduling. i mentioned it to say where they lifted the practice from. that whole manufactured practice is also why LAD & AEOM all have so much filler. it is because those albums are crafted to be double albums, and not made into a double album because the artist created a whole host of above quality material.
sorry if you couldn't correlate that and i had to put it in text. it was implied but i think anyone who was around knew this as a fact.
LAD was more planning to be something than, just releasing a host of material. the reason i list FREE AGENTS as the best because top to bottom it has the best offering of rap music out of all the double albums. that is what buyin an album is supposed to be about. not a bunch of pussie a55 pr, to build up or overplay what technically wasn't on the album.
biggie LAD, was always overrated...and like i said;
i can take out my triple vinyl lp, to LAD, and i wouldn't be able to make anyone sit through a listening of it. let alone, how many times we would have to skip all the filler, to get to the downright classic good stuff. that is not a classic album, but an album that contains classic songs. that doesn't make it a classic record. nor does a bunch of oversaturated d!cklickin and posturing in the press, so they seem relevent either.
art barr

F*ck all the bullshyt...

When you first pop in the disc to Life After Death you get the intro, and then Somebody Gotta Die, and then Hypnotize(Although commercial, still a great track), then you go to Kick in the Door(BTW, if when you first listened to this record, if you weren't floored by the end of the 4th track you're LYING)... F*ckin' You Tonight was next(AMAZING R&B joint)... Last Dayz!!!!!!!!!!! Biggie killed the last verse!!!!!!!!!!!! How is this not a classic first disc in hindsight after all these years???? You can call I Love the Dough a skippable track... I give you that, maybe... What's Beef is a certified CLASSIC record... if you wanna skip Mo Money, Mo Problems... Fine. But if the story telling on N*ggas Bleed & I Got A Story To Tell don't blow that fukking Free Agents double album out of the water alone I don't know man :laugh:

I won't even mention disc 2 with fukking Notorious Thugs, 10 Crack Commandments, Sky's The Limit, The World Is Filled..., My Downfall, Long Kiss Goodnight, and You're Nobody(Till Somebody Killed You)... No, wait... I just did :dry:

You also have to consider that this album was extremely well rounded and covered everything from the club joints, to hardcore grimey street shyt, to storytelling at it's finest, to classic collaboration joints flipping style completely, to the playa shyt, to the emotional track, etc... Free Agents is like 40 songs of gun busting and drugs, etc. :laugh: And it's all bonus material that they didn't put on albums and shyt like that :smh: In no way, shape, or form is that little mixtape joint fukking with the classic Life After Death...

*freaks b*tch in club to Nasty Boy*

*gets d*ck sucked*

*salutes the late great biggie smalls*

[Bondz]

i mentioned the double album of sp, because that is what made record companies think they could capitalize on a trend.
no one in rap was thinking of using that as a selling point till SP did it.......
it was why i also mentioned pearl jam and their one album a year, or every eight month scheduling. i mentioned it to say where they lifted the practice from. that whole manufactured practice is also why LAD & AEOM all have so much filler. it is because those albums are crafted to be double albums, and not made into a double album because the artist created a whole host of above quality material.
sorry if you couldn't correlate that and i had to put it in text. it was implied but i think anyone who was around knew this as a fact.
LAD was more planning to be something than, just releasing a host of material. the reason i list FREE AGENTS as the best because top to bottom it has the best offering of rap music out of all the double albums. that is what buyin an album is supposed to be about. not a bunch of pussie a55 pr, to build up or overplay what technically wasn't on the album.
biggie LAD, was always overrated...and like i said;
i can take out my triple vinyl lp, to LAD, and i wouldn't be able to make anyone sit through a listening of it. let alone, how many times we would have to skip all the filler, to get to the downright classic good stuff. that is not a classic album, but an album that contains classic songs. that doesn't make it a classic record. nor does a bunch of oversaturated d!cklickin and posturing in the press, so they seem relevent either.
art barr


You definetely lost yourself there man. I just can understand where your logic is sitting at. See, this is your opinion and the fact of the matter is that "Life After Death" gained it classical title, whether you agree with or not, back in 1997. It created a ripple effect that gave new life to a once dying culture. Master P, if you don't know this gives props to "Life After Death" for helping his generate big time tales back in 1997 with his release of album.

There were so many people influenced by Biggie and this album and the impact was immense. By the way, you keep saying you pulled out the triple vinyl LP, but maybe you need to get some new needs for that turntable cause the CD version is very RICH in content.


10 Crack commandments just sounds much better with every listen today:

"I been in this game for years, it made me a animal
It's rules to this ****, I wrote me a manual
A step by step booklet for you to get
your game on track, not your wig pushed back.."


Bondz

LOL

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Now playing: The Notorious B.I.G. - Ten Crack Commandments (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+notorious+b.i.g./track/ten+crack+commandments)

[Bondz]

Ready To Die = The Godfather, Termintor
Life After Death = The Godfather II, Termintor II
All Classics and it's hard to say which is better than the others.

I never really looked at the album like that but that's a pretty good analogy of the albums. This is why people pay respect to Biggie cause the brother dropped two back to back CLASSICS and who knows what else Biggie has in store for the fans had he been able to release the album "Born Again". Three back to back classics is a row...



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Now playing: The Notorious B.I.G. - I Got A Story To Tell (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+notorious+b.i.g./track/i+got+a+story+to+tell)

[HIPHOPmastermind]

Any late, lame niqqas who try to say that album isn't a classic... should have their heads slapped off their shoulders by their older siblings.
Even if you don't like it personally, it's too late- your opinion will not and cannot change history. If you didn't experience that album and everything it did, you have no say on the matter. It's already documented.


Thank you for summing up the point of this entire thread. The "Anti-Classic" people again are just trying to change history. It use to kill me how people would write "Life After Death Isn't Classic" so casually like they were saying something of truth, LOL. Experiencing it's effect on hip hop is essential for you to understand why many in this thread have called it a Classic. So I hope this ends the debate on Sohh once and for all. Like I said in my first thread, if you guys keep writing that B.S. you are going to get your cards pulled. Nobody up here can take you seriously calling this certified hip hop Classic weak, average or 3.5 mics or even 4 mics. If somebody rates it 4.5 Mics, though I don't see why it can't just get that .5 Mics, I would take that rating as respectable but all these lower than 4.5 Mics stuff has to stop. I also want to people to understand my point about naming 10 albums better. Here are 10 Albums that I would say are "ON PAR" with "Life After Death" since 1997. I'm not saying any of them are better but they are either equal or very close to it:

STILLmatic
BLUEprint
AQUEMINI
HARD KNOCK LIFE
IT'S HOT AND DARK AS HELL
CAPITOL PUNISHMENT
MISEDUCATION OF LAURAYN HILL
WU TANG FOREVER
SPEAKERBOXXX/THE LOVE BELOW
MARSHAL MATHERS LP (It's not even close but Impact wise it's there)


All of these albums where released post "Life After Death" and are considered classics or near classics. They also had major impact on the game. Not all are game changers like "Life After Death" but some of up there did change the game for those artist. As you can see, Jay Z and Outkast have 2 albums a piece on my list. It goes to show you how they have been pretty much the only ones to have the Impact with albums that Big Had. Lauryn is also up there as far as Impact. It's funny because me naming these albums were hard because again that's how far ahead Biggie was with his competition.

[gawdbondie]

its tough to establish a set criteria for the "classic" designation to an album.
..but at the very least, no one can deny the impact of LAD.

[Bondz]

LAD ain't a classic...
It's a 2-disc compilation of fillers & a nice amount of bangers...
TOO much filler.
Ready To Die>>>>>>.Life After Death BY FAR.

Which fillers are you talking about?

Lol @ people taking 7-8 standout songs outta 20+ and STILL saying it's a classic..

For me personally, a classic album has to be cohesive and that is RARELY the case with double albums.

There are over 13 classics tracks on "Life After Death" alone.

[Vandal]

fuc.k you tonight is a filler???LMAO

JESUS CHRIST...do you nerds ever get pu$$y??

Lol.

[Heavy Handz]

Hahahahahaha ^^^^^^^^^^

[PEET C the don]

classic

[AKee1981]

LAD is the Hip Hop epic. It'll be looked upon as some kind of important document decades from now. Not that every single song is so tip top, but the entire cadence of Biggie in 1997 shines too much to be denied.

[nieman]

I was 17 when Life After Death dropped, and bottom line it's highly overrated...largely due to his death. The hard ish on there were great, but the soft tracks on there were weak (Hypnotize was weak..don't care how many chicks got up and danced to it at the club, Another, Player Hater, Nasty Boy, Going Back to Cali...and thats just off the top of the head). Its like a tale of 2 albums, and if you look at the middle tracks on both discs, it really takes a step down.

As for "impact on the game", when the HELL did that become a prerequisite for a classic album? Of course it changed the game, laid a blueprint for the next era or so. But if you say that, there were soooo many albums that had an impact or changed the game that are far from classic.

[pureplayaII]

A classic album to me got no fillers or weak tracks.The thread starter obviously got other definition wich I respect cuz he said himself that LAD got weak tracks. Therefore I can't consider LAD a classic..4.5 at best but classic? no way!!!

[HIPHOPmastermind]

A classic album to me got no fillers or weak tracks.The thread starter obviously got other definition wich I respect cuz he said himself that LAD got weak tracks. Therefore I can't consider LAD a classic..4.5 at best but classic? no way!!!


I said there are weak tracks because there were some average tracks. People have an argument with "Another" and "Nasty Boy". People hating on "Playa Hata" competely missed what Big was trying to do with that track and he was explaining just what they are, LOL. Besides those 3, in my opinion there isn't a single song under 4 Mics on the rest of the Album. That's why I said Big was shooting like 80% on this album as far as making great songs, some could agrue closer to 90% if you look at the context of what he was doing. It's amazing that Big litterally gave a track to every type of fan of hip hop:

Women/Club/Commerial:
Hypnotize
Mo Money, Mo Problems
****ing You Tonight
I Love The Dough

Storytelling:
I Got A Story To Tell
N*ggas Bleed
Somebody's Got To Die
Death Threat Interlude

Deep Emotional:
Mother's Message Interlude
Sky's The Limit
Remebering "O" Interlude
Miss U

Raw/Street/Underground/Gangsta:
Kick in the Door
10 Crack Commandments
What's Beef
B.I.G. Interlude
Last Dayz
Long Kiss Goodnight
My Downfall
Your Nobody Till Somebody Kills You


Westcoast:
The World Is Filled
Goin Back To Cali

Midwest:
Notorious Thugs

South:
Another
Nasty Boy

Humor/Comedy:
Playa Hata
Madd Rapper Skit
Nasty Girl Interlude


Again one of the most complete albums ever, but it's not perfect so that's why I said yes there are some average weak cuts. But's that's all reletive because most of the people complaining about "Another" and "Nasty Boy" are males when both song were actually written for and gear towards females who every girl i've talk to think both songs are CLASSICS and now matter what people feel about the songs, can you honestly say Big didn't spit fire on both tracks? the "Nasty Boy" lyrics were so sick, Puff dropped it 10 years later on "Nasty Girl" and it became an international hit, that's how timeless Big was and this album is.

[Classics]

Most complete rap album ever in my opinion.

What else had enuff heat for streets and billboard.. told stories, posse cuts, diversity and versatility in terms of ubject matter, flows, etc... That album is a masterpiece to me also.

[pureplayaII]

I said there are weak tracks because there were some average tracks. People have an argument with "Another" and "Nasty Boy". People hating on "Playa Hata" competely missed what Big was trying to do with that track and he was explaining just what they are, LOL. Besides those 3, in my opinion there isn't a single song under 4 Mics on the rest of the Album. That's why I said Big was shooting like 80% on this album as far as making great songs, some could agrue closer to 90% if you look at the context of what he was doing. It's amazing that Big litterally gave a track to every type of fan of hip hop:
Women/Club/Commerial:
Hypnotize
Mo Money, Mo Problems
****ing You Tonight
I Love The Dough
Storytelling:
I Got A Story To Tell
N*ggas Bleed
Somebody's Got To Die
Death Threat Interlude
Deep Emotional:
Mother's Message Interlude
Sky's The Limit
Remebering "O" Interlude
Miss U
Raw/Street/Underground/Gangsta:
Kick in the Door
10 Crack Commandments
What's Beef
B.I.G. Interlude
Last Dayz
Long Kiss Goodnight
My Downfall
Your Nobody Till Somebody Kills You
Westcoast:
The World Is Filled
Goin Back To Cali
Midwest:
Notorious Thugs
South:
Another
Nasty Boy
Humor/Comedy:
Playa Hata
Madd Rapper Skit
Nasty Girl Interlude
Again one of the most complete albums ever, but it's not perfect so that's why I said yes there are some average weak cuts. But's that's all reletive because most of the people complaining about "Another" and "Nasty Boy" are males when both song were actually written for and gear towards females who every girl i've talk to think both songs are CLASSICS and now matter what people feel about the songs, can you honestly say Big didn't spit fire on both tracks? the "Nasty Boy" lyrics were so sick, Puff dropped it 10 years later on "Nasty Girl" and it became an international hit, that's how timeless Big was and this album is.

Alright then. U made your point. But like I said a classic album got to be perfect from beggining to end which is not the case of LAD...Great album no doubt about it but giving classic status is too much in my opinion...Could be argued as the best double-album of all time though...

[AKee1981]

I was 17 when Life After Death dropped, and bottom line it's highly overrated...largely due to his death. The hard ish on there were great, but the soft tracks on there were weak (Hypnotize was weak..don't care how many chicks got up and danced to it at the club, Another, Player Hater, Nasty Boy, Going Back to Cali...and thats just off the top of the head). Its like a tale of 2 albums, and if you look at the middle tracks on both discs, it really takes a step down.
As for "impact on the game", when the HELL did that become a prerequisite for a classic album? Of course it changed the game, laid a blueprint for the next era or so. But if you say that, there were soooo many albums that had an impact or changed the game that are far from classic.
:confused:

[HIPHOPmastermind]

this is some real **** right here..
Diddy was always overshadowing B.I.G.s talent

even in the Mo Money, Mo Problems video, what do people remember most?
..was it Biggies verse? ..nope, it was Diddy playing golf against Fuzzy Badfeet.
Who remembers Suges comments about Puff attention whoring?
"You want your CEO...all in the video, dancing in the video" :laugh: He was telling the truth. That basically how I see it also.

Diddy was the one who took East Coast hip hop in the direction it went because he was responsible for the direction Biggie went in. And "No Way Out" was definitely a bigger influence in the "shiny suit" era than LAD. LAD compared to No Way Out is a street record..lol.


If you think people remember "Mo Money, Mo Problems" strictly from Puffy playing golf like Tiger woods and Ma$e acting like Bryan Gumble then you are not understanding how sick Biggie's verse was. That verse is probably one of the most quotable verses ever in Hip Hop. Remember Jay Z's concert from "Fade To Black"?. Remember when he did tributes to all the Fallen soliders of Hip Hop. Well he throws on "Mo Money, Mo Problems" to a crowd in Califorina of all places and the entire crowd, word for word, bar for bar spit Big's entire verse flawlessly. That's why people remember the song, the video was still CLASSIC but I think you went to far saying people remember the song more because of Puff in the video and again Without "Life After Death", the shiny suit era doesn't even happen. You can't have one without the other for Puff to do everything he did, Biggie had to be a success and he was so that open the door for Puff to again do what he wanted. But check out the Fade the Black scene I was talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfFHMLVMuY
(Jay Z and California Pays Tribute to this Hip Hop Masterpiece)

[Kingofkings]

Which tracks are these fillers you Damn fools are talking about..
I remember when sway and all the other hiphop n1gger on mtv were making that top 10 hiphop album of all time, they didnt take Life After Death on that sh1t cause if they hade 2 biggie albums, n1ggas would run their mouths about 2pac not having 2 albums.. I mean this album is a Master Piece. and for the ones saying going back to cali is wack you need to listen to it again.. Lyrical slaughter

[gavity]

dam....another thread cats going about life after death? wow


This album truly gets its props, I mean dam. you gotta give props to biggie for creating such a work of art that the fans can truly enjoy after all these years. funny how people say that this album has so many fillers but i don't see what they see cause "This goes out to cats, fingers in they ass again, Fifty dollar half-a-men"....LOL

[kingofthings]

thanks for making a difference :rolleyes:
:laugh: :yes:

[HIPHOPmastermind]

fukk u n ur 13 yr old requirement.I was 12 when this sh1t drop n it wasn't a classic back then n it isn't now.
that's y I fukked yo ***** >>>>LAD


LOL, this is coming from someone who has RICK ROSS in there Avatar. Rick Ross has bitten Biggie's whole steez. LOL @ his fake "Warning" Video. Again somebody who probably wasn't into HIP HOP that strong at 12 years old to understand how this album was like a Atomic Bomb on game. Also for the people that say "All Eyes On Me" is better. Well I think that's just peference. But you can't seriouly tell me, if things were different that Pac and Big survived, that Pac wouldn't had to go back to the drawing board after he heard "Life After Death". Big answered Pac and then some, the people wouldn't of denied that album so Pac would of had to come with some even more sicker ish. That's why Big and Pac are legends, they kept the quality up and made everyone else make better music. Look how many Classics were being released when these 2 were out. Now look at the music that's out since they've been gone. Like someone said in this post earily:

"Life After Death" > Hip Hop Since 1997

I don't think it's a comparison, Big was just ahead of the curve.

[mitchandness]

only filler tracks are:

another (ft. lil kim)
the world is filled
my downfall (not exactly filler but its "average" compared to everything else on the album which are all classic tracks)

everything else is straight piff ,5/5, excellent, A+++ whatever you wanna call it....i was avoiding this thread from the start because its really dumb to come in here and defend if this masterpiece double LP is a classic or not. its like a thread where people would be saying "no, Mercedez Benz dont make luxury cars".

the album is a 4.75/5, had a HUGE impact on hiphop since 97 and arguably the best album since 1997, went fukkin diamond and a whole lotta sh1t that i dont really feel like typing.

:smh: at myself coming in here to defend that "1 + 1= 2"... its common sense that this is a classic. ask ya favorite rapper.

now lets quote puffs best line from the victory 2004 song, and close this thread.

"it's ill when MC's used to be on other **** (yeah, c'mon)
Took home "Life after Death" and they studied it (that's right)
Listened to the double disc (yeah)
Now they all spit, like they all legit (c'mon)
Frank tell how we did it, go" - PUFF DADDY

if you dont think the album is classic, your mom lost.

CLOSE THREAD.

[HIPHOPmastermind]

only filler tracks are:

another (ft. lil kim)
the world is filled
my downfall (not exactly filler but its "average" compared to everything else on the album which are all classic tracks)

everything else is straight piff ,5/5, excellent, A+++ whatever you wanna call it....i was avoiding this thread from the start because its really dumb to come in here and defend if this masterpiece double LP is a classic or not. its like a thread where people would be saying "no, Mercedez Benz dont make luxury cars".

the album is a 4.75/5, had a HUGE impact on hiphop since 97 and arguably the best album since 1997, went fukkin diamond and a whole lotta sh1t that i dont really feel like typing.

:smh: at myself coming in here to defend that "1 + 1= 2"... its common sense that this is a classic. ask ya favorite rapper.

now lets quote puffs best line from the victory 2004 song, and close this thread.

"it's ill when MC's used to be on other **** (yeah, c'mon)
Took home "Life after Death" and they studied it (that's right)
Listened to the double disc (yeah)
Now they all spit, like they all legit (c'mon)
Frank tell how we did it, go" - PUFF DADDY

if you dont think the album is classic, your mom lost.

CLOSE THREAD.


Dog I agree like the rest of this thread with everything you said........EXCEPT "MY DOWNFALL" BEING FILLER........people need to chill with that. That song is a Masterpiece, Big perdicted his own demise. He lyrically molested that beat. The song influenced NaS who is a Lyrical Legend to write better rhymes. How is it "Average" comparied to the rest? "My Downfall" is a Top 10 Track on "Life After Death", I'm willing to say closer to Top 5. But respect everything else you said, people were in denial about this legendary album but I'm happy to see a majority of people up here know what the deal is:

"Ain't no other Kings in this rap thing, the siblings/nothin by my chil'ren, one shot they disappearin" - LEGEND :king::bustback:

[.PK5]

subs

[Slice-Twice]

I was....18 or 19 when this dropped, I copped it right after my cousins funeral

[ItripL]

Who the fucc says it isn't classic? I remember riding through the Js after coppin the double tape from the Wherehouse that was by Dorsey listening to Somebody Gotta Die for the first time. I remember bumpin Mo Money on the way to first period the next morning. Hell we bumped disc two all night in the prom Limo. The beats, the songs, the verses, the vibe, the story behind it, what it was....That shyt was classic. anybody denying it is full of shyt. Hell either disc is better than most niccas' careers.

[Slice-Twice]

Oh yea Disc 2 > Disc 1

All day

Playa Hata > That Song with little kim