Does The NY Hip Hop Scene Feel Like They R Getting BlackBalled?

[west coast avenger]

Just from what I have seen and heard it feels like the A&R's from the record lables over there have over looked talent that is right in front of them. They opted to go South and now the NY hip hop scene isnt as powerful as it was once before. Out West most of you know how it went down so I ask the people in the East, u feel like you are getting blackballed?

[Cant_Get_Right!]

hey NY, welcome to the west coast.

[west coast avenger]

hey NY, welcome to the west coast.

Possibly? Will see how this thread shapes out

[Lawrence]

:smh: Damnn son all you think about is NY
okay okay WE DA BEST but let that biitch breathe
Focus on LAX b :yes:

[BlackBoi0385]

As a fan from the south I feel like we getting cheated, yea the south on top but I like East and West also and there is no balance in the mainstream, so I can imagine how yall feel.

[checkman]

NYC needs to get a new set of rappers,cuz the ones thats suppose to "bring it" in 2008 are garbage

[west coast avenger]

:smh: Damnn son all you think about is NY
okay okay WE DA BEST but let that biitch breathe
Focus on LAX b :yes:

All I think about is NY??? What are u talking about? I see u dont type in Wild Orchid Lilac anymore

[west coast avenger]

As a fan from the south I feel like we getting cheated, yea the south on top but I like East and West also and there is no balance in the mainstream, so I can imagine how yall feel.

Really? But I guess with no balance you may have a point

[Nate Archibald]

The mainstream don't wanna hear dope lyrics (NY)

They wanna dance in the club and get crunk (south)

*shrugs*

[BlackBoi0385]

Really? But I guess with no balance you may have a point

And when I say we getting cheated I mean the fans

[west coast avenger]

The mainstream don't wanna hear dope lyrics (NY)
They wanna dance in the club and get crunk (south)
*shrugs*

Well what is mainstream now is definitely a hell of alot different than what was mainstream in the 90's. Its always been about music you could dance too but hip hop today needs that lyricism, whether it comes from NY or not

[west coast avenger]

And when I say we getting cheated I mean the fans

So I take it your not too happy with current southern music?

[Slice-Twice]

black balled?
Nah...
hip hop ain't considered a 'fad' no more and the A&R's know they can make money off of it now
so for the last....6 years as far as popularity goes, its ats pinacle...

Alot of you young white kids don't got any clue what it was like to listen to hip hop back in the day...

literally

when your the only person on your bus that listened to Doggystyle or a Wu Tang tape while everyone else was listening to nirvana and sh*t...being the one of the only handfull of kids that listened to hip hop out of your highschool, you have no clue what it was like back then lol.....it wasn't accepted like it is now...when you listened to hip hop back then it was a statement....now its a joke
when your parents tried their hardest to deter you away from listening to 'that music'
its accepted now, I see lil white kids wearing 'street gear' at early and earlier ages...
my parents now know who Snoop Dog, Method Man and 50 Cent is now....

you gotta understand....that was unthinkable back when I was younger...the world has FULLY accepted hip hop now...and hip hop talent wise is hurting cause of it

[BlackBoi0385]

So I take it your not too happy with current southern music?

Hell no alot of dudes down here like east and west music cuz they grew up on it. Never really been a big fan of the south music I like Outkast, Dungeon Family, Scarface etc I like the mcs, I dont care for the rappers.

[west coast avenger]

Hell no alot of dudes down here like east and west music cuz they grew up on it. Never really been a big fan of the south music I like Outkast, Dungeon Family, Scarface etc I like the mcs, I dont care for the rappers.

Im sure there are alot of n1ggaz down there that feel this way, and it may even be suprising for some NY'ers to even see you post this comment.

[Cant_Get_Right!]

:smh: Damnn son all you think about is NY
okay okay WE DA BEST but let that biitch breathe
Focus on LAX b :yes:

there are more NY won and Cali Lost threads by NY cats
and your only looking for a south and westcoast album.

you obviously arent the best.
and thats by your own album preference

[TheVoice315]

man the older n1ggas need to get out the way.....

[SoulController]

dont see why they would

Nas,Busta, Fab, Hov and 50 did fine last time out. Diddy did poor for him but fine overall

just because the 'next in line' group like Pap and Saigon didnt make a splash isnt a reflection of a region. look at how many new jacks from the south flopped

[khrys_x]

man the older n1ggas need to get out the way.....
Who are the older n!ggas though? Jay, Nas, and Busta? Fat Joe? The LOX? The only NY rappers that even really matter at all other than them are 50 and Dipset...if they all step aside now, NY is basically dead on a mainstream level except for maybe Fab...there is literally no one else...if the old heads go away, the only presense that NY will have are Fab and Fat Joe cameos in We the Best videos

[west coast avenger]

black balled?
Nah...
hip hop ain't considered a 'fad' no more and the A&R's know they can make money off of it now
so for the last....6 years as far as popularity goes, its ats pinacle...
Alot of you young white kids don't got any clue what it was like to listen to hip hop back in the day...
literally
when your the only person on your bus that listened to Doggystyle or a Wu Tang tape while everyone else was listening to nirvana and sh*t...being the one of the only handfull of kids that listened to hip hop out of your highschool, you have no clue what it was like back then lol.....it wasn't accepted like it is now...when you listened to hip hop back then it was a statement....now its a joke
when your parents tried their hardest to deter you away from listening to 'that music'
its accepted now, I see lil white kids wearing 'street gear' at early and earlier ages...
my parents now know who Snoop Dog, Method Man and 50 Cent is now....
you gotta understand....that was unthinkable back when I was younger...the world has FULLY accepted hip hop now...and hip hop talent wise is hurting cause of it

Hip hop is acceppted now but is still somewhat of a fad and A&R's have been making money for a while off of it. I dont see where your going with all of this, I too listened to hip hop when everyone else was down with another genere but so what, what does that have to do with NY's hip hop scene?

[TheVoice315]

Who are the older n!ggas though? Jay, Nas, and Busta? Fat Joe? The LOX? The only NY rappers that even really matter at all other than them are 50 and Dipset...if they all step aside now, NY is basically dead on a mainstream level except for maybe Fab...there is literally no one else...if the old heads go away, the only presense that NY will have are Fab and Fat Joe cameos in We the Best videos
u know what....its really to late now to tell the truth...that whole mixtape generation besides fab and g-unit and dipset have died off...so i kinda agree wit you...but where i dont agree is that fab has to be in a khaled video to be hot....aslong as Fab is straight right now i could care less..

[west coast avenger]

dont see why they would
Nas,Busta, Fab, Hov and 50 did fine last time out. Diddy did poor for him but fine overall
just because the 'next in line' group like Pap and Saigon didnt make a splash isnt a reflection of a region. look at how many new jacks from the south flopped

thats an excellent point but at least the new jacks from the South got to drop an album

[TheVoice315]

Who are the older n!ggas though? Jay, Nas, and Busta? Fat Joe? The LOX? The only NY rappers that even really matter at all other than them are 50 and Dipset...if they all step aside now, NY is basically dead on a mainstream level except for maybe Fab...there is literally no one else...if the old heads go away, the only presense that NY will have are Fab and Fat Joe cameos in We the Best videos
u know what....its really to late now to tell the truth...that whole mixtape generation besides fab and g-unit and dipset have died off...so i kinda agree wit you...but where i dont agree is that fab has to be in a khaled video to be hot....aslong as Fab is straight right now i could care less..

[west coast avenger]

u know what....its really to late now to tell the truth...that whole mixtape generation besides fab and g-unit and dipset have died off...so i kinda agree wit you...but where i dont agree is that fab has to be in a khaled video to be hot....aslong as Fab is straight right now i could care less..

Fab dropped one of the hottest mixtapes of the year so far but yet his album didnt receive the acclaim that it should have, even fellow NY'ers were saying it was trash when it was a banger

[6FiggieNiggie]

Plies said it best "The New York Hip-Hop scene is like a fraternity"

[west coast avenger]

Plies said it best "The New York Hip-Hop scene is like a fraternity"

Damn! That is on point u got n1ggaz blackballing each other over there

[TheVoice315]

Damn! That is on point u got n1ggaz blackballing each other over there
yea thats the major problem...everybody tryin to be "king" of NY smh...that fukked everything up.


Fab dropped one of the hottest mixtapes of the year so far but yet his album didnt receive the acclaim that it should have, even fellow NY'ers were saying it was trash when it was a banger
NY n1ggas say everything was trash...if u from NY and spit u dont get a fair shot to be "the man" NY n1ggas will always love jay,nas and BIG...nobody can crack that they dont even get a chance

[TheT Organization]

black balled?
Nah...
hip hop ain't considered a 'fad' no more and the A&R's know they can make money off of it now
so for the last....6 years as far as popularity goes, its ats pinacle...
Alot of you young white kids don't got any clue what it was like to listen to hip hop back in the day...
literally
when your the only person on your bus that listened to Doggystyle or a Wu Tang tape while everyone else was listening to nirvana and sh*t...being the one of the only handfull of kids that listened to hip hop out of your highschool, you have no clue what it was like back then lol.....it wasn't accepted like it is now...when you listened to hip hop back then it was a statement....now its a joke
when your parents tried their hardest to deter you away from listening to 'that music'
its accepted now, I see lil white kids wearing 'street gear' at early and earlier ages...
my parents now know who Snoop Dog, Method Man and 50 Cent is now....
you gotta understand....that was unthinkable back when I was younger...the world has FULLY accepted hip hop now...and hip hop talent wise is hurting cause of it


Yep...that was me. I remember those days perfectly.


It's still considered "dangerous" (although the sting has been taken out of it due to mainstream acceptance and ridicule), but the edge and rawness of what hip-hop was back in the day is gone.


I do agree though, that there needs to be more balance in the mainstream because that's where most people listen to the stuff from...but personally, I don't care anymore!!!! That was then, this is now. Fukk the mainstream, fukk the record labels, they took what we loved and drove it into the ground, and now with the internet we don't need them anymore!


I don't really care or even expect hip-hop to come back to what it was anymore. Call me a non-believer, but the purest music comes when it doesn't have to adhere to any preferences or discriminating tastes (I.E. mainstream catering). I realize after typing out alot of these "woe is me...hip-hop isn't what it was like when I was 14-18 posts" are boring and redundant. For all of the time heads complain about not having any good new artists to listen to, we're on the internet and we can pick and choose. I don't fukk with the radio anyway, or MTV or BET because I'm more towards 30 than 20 and have been done with that sh!t for almost a decade.

The model for success in music is changing, labels are becoming redundant. We don't need them anymore. Sure, our generation is still trying to hold on to what we loved and the way things were back in the day, and most in the industry are still enticed by making money and getting the label guap the old fashioned way as we've been conditioned to accept it as such since the label days of the 50s...but as soon as the artists realize they can get their music directly to the people and still make money, the better off we'll all be.

[TheVoice315]

if n1ggas was like fat joe and sucked off n1ggas down here they'd be ok...but n1ggas dont do it..

[FuriousStyles1]

black balled?
Nah...
hip hop ain't considered a 'fad' no more and the A&R's know they can make money off of it now
so for the last....6 years as far as popularity goes, its ats pinacle...
Alot of you young white kids don't got any clue what it was like to listen to hip hop back in the day...
literally
when your the only person on your bus that listened to Doggystyle or a Wu Tang tape while everyone else was listening to nirvana and sh*t...being the one of the only handfull of kids that listened to hip hop out of your highschool, you have no clue what it was like back then lol.....it wasn't accepted like it is now...when you listened to hip hop back then it was a statement....now its a joke
when your parents tried their hardest to deter you away from listening to 'that music'
its accepted now, I see lil white kids wearing 'street gear' at early and earlier ages...
my parents now know who Snoop Dog, Method Man and 50 Cent is now....
you gotta understand....that was unthinkable back when I was younger...the world has FULLY accepted hip hop now...and hip hop talent wise is hurting cause of it


Pretty true story here. I've seen some young azz white kids about 10 or so wearing NWA Fvck the police shirts.

[west coast avenger]

Yep...that was me. I remember those days perfectly.


It's still considered "dangerous" (although the sting has been taken out of it due to mainstream acceptance and ridicule), but the edge and rawness of what hip-hop was back in the day is gone.


I do agree though, that there needs to be more balance in the mainstream because that's where most people listen to the stuff from...but personally, I don't care anymore!!!! That was then, this is now. Fukk the mainstream, fukk the record labels, they took what we loved and drove it into the ground, and now with the internet we don't need them anymore!


I don't really care or even expect hip-hop to come back to what it was anymore. Call me a non-believer, but the purest music comes when it doesn't have to adhere to any preferences or discriminating tastes (I.E. mainstream catering). I realize after typing out alot of these "woe is me...hip-hop isn't what it was like when I was 14-18 posts" are boring and redundant. For all of the time heads complain about not having any good new artists to listen to, we're on the internet and we can pick and choose. I don't fukk with the radio anyway, or MTV or BET because I'm more towards 30 than 20 and have been done with that sh!t for almost a decade.

The model for success in music is changing, labels are becoming redundant. We don't need them anymore. Sure, our generation is still trying to hold on to what we loved and the way things were back in the day, and most in the industry are still enticed by making money and getting the label guap the old fashioned way as we've been conditioned to accept it as such since the label days of the 50s...but as soon as the artists realize they can get their music directly to the people and still make money, the better off we'll all be.

Damn! Another post that is on point, I see I got all the hip hop intellectuals in on this one

[Slice-Twice]

Hip hop is acceppted now but is still somewhat of a fad and A&R's have been making money for a while off of it. I dont see where your going with all of this, I too listened to hip hop when everyone else was down with another genere but so what, what does that have to do with NY's hip hop scene?
cause back then, the hip hop scene was different, and NY radio only cared about NY artists, hip hop wasn't as successfull as it is now, and there was no pressure to put other regions music on the station, they just focused on NY artists, up and coming artists, etc etc. Hot 97 broke alot of new artists...

I don't know, guess you just had to be there to understand

[west coast avenger]

cause back then, the hip hop scene was different, and NY radio only cared about NY artists, hip hop wasn't as successfull as it is now, and there was no pressure to put other regions music on the station, they just focused on NY artists, up and coming artists, etc etc. Hot 97 broke alot of new artists...
I don't know, guess you just had to be there to understand

Well I already knew all that, that is why us n1ggaz from CaLi use to get mad cause you all wouldnt play our sh1t and we supported you guys out here and you thought of us as the wack little step brother

[west coast avenger]

This aint even beef, you Mods be hating sometimes

[vocab]

i really truly think the east and west set a really high standard that just cant be duplicated nowadays....

dudes from the south from what i remember in the early late 80's early 90's where into go-go music..sorta like stripper music with a street apeal...you can kinda hear it from cats like 2 live crew poison clan..they where entertaining but lyricaly they was pure ass but they where sucessfull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYgb44jCO5g ---compton diss :smh:

ghetto boys where the first act that was considered as a serious hiphop group from the south in nyc from what i remember then came outcast as far as mainstreem they where being played heavy in ny radio...

the thing that really hurting hiphop now is that theres no type of pride in the music thats being made..people are afraid to be diffrent becuase they wanna make money NOW,back then you had to be diffrent and come off clever to make money NOW,thats why you hear the same shyt being disposed over,and over again...and its not the south's fault..part of it is the new hiphop crowd who are easily influenced by the media on whats hot and dj's take'n payola money...

bottom line if people stop acting like f@ggots and try to at least listen to something diffrent thats at least hiphop realated you really need too shut the f#ck up and stop complaining...

the new killa priest album is dope as hell :smoker:

[East st and ave]

I may be the only one who feels NY doesn't deserve nothing back till we get our act together.

1. It's not the 90's anymore I love the music but you can not fake it. All that fake soul music don't rock.

2. You don't need to be or sound like Jay-z. There is no need for it.

3. Pre-written 16's over other people beat don't always make you hot. Mixtape circut is done to hell.

4. We need a sound stop trying to be for everyone and concentrate on ourself.

5. The crack game is not hitting like that anymore. People still do it but its far from what it once was.

[rapandhiphopfan]

I may be the only one who feels NY doesn't deserve nothing back till we get our act together.
1. It's not the 90's anymore I love the music but you can not fake it. All that fake soul music don't rock.
2. You don't need to be or sound like Jay-z. There is no need for it.
3. Pre-written 16's over other people beat don't always make you hot. Mixtape circut is done to hell.
4. We need a sound stop trying to be for everyone and concentrate on ourself.
5. The crack game is not hitting like that anymore. People still do it but its far from what it once was.

And we also got to get rid of this g-unit garbage, nobody wants to hear that no more.