Why does the westcoast support and honor their legends and the eastcoast doesn't???

[westkoast2k2]

This is an honest question and I am not trying to start anything West vs East. Again I repeat this is not a West vs East thread. This is a valid question...

Why is it that the Westcoast legends continue to be supported and represented (Snoop, Too Short, Cube, Dre, etc) but Eastcoast legends don't get the same love and support from a lot of eastcoast hip hop heads. I never hear someone from the westcoast saying "Snoop is old" but I've seen eastcoast posters on here **** on KRS one for being "an old head".

Is it just me? Or has anyone else noticed that the eastcoast has pushed aside the Marley Marl, KRS Ones, and the likes to the side because they are not "cool" anymore?

[Spiral Tap]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.

Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.

[westkoast2k2]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.
Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.

Please explain to me what new eastcoast rappers are relevant LOL I'd love to hear your list.

Cuz we all know Papoose, Saigon, Jae Millz, J-Hood, Maino and the likes have hip hop on fire right now

[west coast avenger]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.
Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.

What the fukk are u talking about?

[westkoast2k2]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.
Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.

LOL!! And what *new* eastcoast rappers would you be speaking on? Please don't make me laugh too hard by saying Papoose, Saigon, J-Hood, or Maino.

[Felonious Monk]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.
Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.They ARE relevant for the simple fact THEIR influence is still here today, yet they DONT get acknowledge like they are suppose to..

[west coast avenger]

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[westkoast2k2]

And the westcoast has plenty of non-legends to rep...Blu and Exile, Game, Crooked I, Bishop Lamont all come to mind.

[Mr swag]

When you haven't been relevant in a decade, all you have is legends.
Ya'll ain't got no new n*ggas to stan on.

ur talking about NY right?

[Spiral Tap]

One post.

Panties in a bunch.

West Coast for life.

[west coast avenger]

One post.
Panties in a bunch.
West Coast for life.

Well at least you know better, you can shut your mouth now

[westkoast2k2]

Why can Too Short continue to be supported no matter what but KRS One is looked at as an Old Head?

Is it because New York everything is so fast and everything has to be "new" ? There has to be a reason why westcoast legends continue to get a lot of support well into their 40s but the same cant be said of Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, and Marley Marl.

[Cantgetright]

maybe its because our legends are still here and havent relocated somewhere. and we seem to have more appreciation of old skool stuff.

[westkoast2k2]

maybe its because our legends are still here and havent relocated somewhere. and we seem to have more appreciation of old skool stuff.

Too Short took off to ATL and we still supported him out here!! Snoop went to New Orleans for a mintue and will still copped his albums.

And I don't want this to sound like a blanket statement to all eastcoast hip hop heads. I know plenty on here that do support the legends but I see twice as many people that say they are from the eastcoast that think their time is over and they are "wack"

[Dead End]

West Coast hasn't had a stream of established new artists like New York did/does post-1997.

[THE 101]

Good point...never really thought about it like that. Its pretty much a disgrace how the east coast legends of the 80s have been treated.

[NotSoft]

Why can Too Short continue to be supported no matter what but KRS One is looked at as an Old Head?
Is it because New York everything is so fast and everything has to be "new" ? There has to be a reason why westcoast legends continue to get a lot of support well into their 40s but the same cant be said of Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, and Marley Marl.



Too Short>>>Grap,Big Daddy Kane,Marley Marl thats why....them nikkas still getin they hippity hip hip hop on....and the rest just fell off...we all witness Short demolish that "Lif Of the Party"

[jbthedon]

The East shall rise again.

[TWEEZE]

umm... maybe we been doing this independent s#it out here from day ONE so they really don't have to rap no more n!ggaz got money so fuk relevance as far as the east coast them old heads are still wrapped up (no pun intended) in there slave deal HAHA

i got love for the eastcoast just dont try to cap n!gga lol

and a lot of east coast artist are coming out here to fuk with this bay area independent game

see keith murry and cnn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzdGZzxmv8

[Cantgetright]

West Coast hasn't had a stream of established new artists like New York did/does post-1997.

new york doesnt have many either really.

[epideMIC]

the West flat out supports its own

thats why you see a Snoop/Too Short/Mistah Fab record...past, present, future

[west coast avenger]

West Coast hasn't had a stream of established new artists like New York did/does post-1997.

Can u say BlackBall??

[TWEEZE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzdGZzxmv8

[westkoast2k2]

West Coast hasn't had a stream of established new artists like New York did/does post-1997.

Sure they have. You just haven't heard of all of them.

But even so...KRS-One, Marley Marl, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap were already "uncool" by 1997. Ice Cube has been out just as long as the guys mentioned above and when he puts out an independent album it still goes gold. The westcoast has Game but they will still go out and support a Too Short record. Eastcoast has Jim Jones but they won't go out to make Kool G Rap go gold.

Does it have to do with the fact that NYers have to stay on the bleeding edge to the point where they will ignore a legend just to be up on the next guy?

[Dead End]

new york doesnt have many either really.

Post 1997? You got Puffy, Mase, Fab, 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, Big Pun, Ja Rule & Murda Ink, Cam'ron, Canibus, dead prez, I could go on and on...

Plus, you have pre-97 artists that eventually got real big, like Jay-Z, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes, and Wu-Tang Clan

West Coast since 97, had had....The Game, Xzibit, and a couple other cats and their pre-97 established artists.

[Dead End]

Sure they have. You just haven't heard of all of them.

Then they're not 'established', unless we're speaking regionally.

[canada_on_t0p]

in the case of krs-1 it seems like he's spent more time in the last 5 years comlaining about rappers rather than make music...


therefore he deserves the bitter old man namecalling

[TWEEZE]

Post 1997? You got Puffy, Mase, Fab, 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, Big Pun, Ja Rule & Murda Ink, Cam'ron, Canibus, dead prez, I could go on and on...
Plus, you have pre-97 artists that eventually got real big, like Jay-Z, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes, and Wu-Tang Clan
West Coast since 97, had had....The Game, Xzibit, and a couple other cats and their pre-97 established artists.


so hieroglyphics souls of mischief deltron e- 40 the YUKMOUTH del the funky dont count at all right?:dry:

[west coast avenger]

Then they're not 'established', unless we're speaking regionally.

Post 1997 The West Coast had

Mausberg
Sly Boogy
Jay Rock
Scipio
WildChild
Medaphor
Lexicon
The Visionaries
Murs
Declaime
MadLib/Quasimoto
Mitchy Slick
Krondon
etc. And that is just So CaL

[Dead End]

so hieroglyphics souls of mischief deltron e- 40 the YUKMOUTH del the funky dont count at all right?:dry:

You could count E40 in there as an established artist that became more popular post-97. The rest of those artists, while known by hip-hop heads, never have really broke nationally or outside of their region.

[Dead End]

Post 1997 The West Coast had
Mausberg
Sly Boogy
Jay Rock
Scipio
WildChild
Medaphor
Lexicon
The Visionaries
Murs
Declaime
MadLib/Quasimoto
Mitchy Slick
Krondon
etc. And that is just So CaL
No one besides west coast peeps and underground hip-hop fans know who they are, though.

[west coast avenger]

You could count E40 in there as an established artist that became more popular post-97. The rest of those artists, while known by hip-hop heads, never have really broke nationally or outside of their region.

Please. Ive seen this symbol all through out the US
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/83/180px-Hiero_logo.JPG

[Vincent Vega]

No 1: Eastcoast legends fell off way more than Westcoast legends. Snoop, Cube, Dre, Quik stay dopping heat, only New York emcee from the Eighties (though Snoop is early 90s and Quiks first album release wuz early 90s) who's still been releasing really good shiit in the 2000s is Masta Ace

No 2: Natural hate spread: they just went from hating everyone else to hating everyone, themselves included. Jus look at 50

[westkoast2k2]

No one besides west coast peeps and underground hip-hop fans know who they are, though.

That doesn't matter though. There is still other people for the westcoast heads to support but they continue to support their legends. Half the people you named on your list don't make hip hop anymore.

Would New York, right now, be in the same spot you are trying to put the Westcoast in say post 1997? There is not a bunch of new quality MCs coming out from NY either yet even artists from the mid 90s, outside of Nas and Jay, are not getting support either.

[west coast avenger]

No one besides west coast peeps and underground hip-hop fans know who they are, though.

According to you. People use to say the samething about Atmosphere, have you checked his record sales lately?

[Spiral Tap]

Please. Ive seen this symbol all through out the US
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/83/180px-Hiero_logo.JPG
Are you really trying to say that those dudes are established?

The list he posted contained platinum albums (one that went diamond), hit records, shiny suits, a sh*t ton of top videos and the airwaves flooded.

The list you posted contains a people a vast majority of fans would never have even heard of.

Personally, I've only heard of/listened to Madlib and Murs.

It's incomperable.

[Dead End]

Please. Ive seen this symbol all through out the US
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/83/180px-Hiero_logo.JPG

So?What does that have to do with their music? The average hip-hop fan doesn't know anything about them.


This is why I hate trying to argue with west coast heads, ya'll get so hurt over things and go into denial. The fact is, NY has had a ,until recently, steady stream of major new artists. Artists that go Top 40. West Coast hasn't had that since 1997. Therefore, the West has clung to the older artists and in NY they have flung them off as useless.

I'm not saying "West Coast sucks" or anything negative about the f@king west coast, but fact is fact.

[Dead End]

According to you. People use to say the samething about Atmosphere, have you checked his record sales lately?

Who said anything about Atmosphere?and aren't they 2 people?

[westkoast2k2]

So?What does that have to do with their music? The average hip-hop fan doesn't know anything about them.
This is why I hate trying to argue with west coast heads, ya'll get so hurt over things and go into denial. The fact is, NY has had a ,until recently, steady stream of major new artists. Artists that go Top 40. West Coast hasn't had that since 1997. Therefore, the West has clung to the older artists and in NY they have flung them off as useless.
I'm not saying "West Coast sucks" or anything negative about the f@king west coast, but fact is fact.

I didn' take it that way and I ppreciate you coming in to add your take.

The thing is though, like I said, it doesn't matter if no one heard of those guys or not. They were still being supported on the westcoast while at the same time those legends were being supported. Puffy and Mase, that's great, but why wasn't KRS One and BCC still being supported heavy then? And just for the record it's not like those guys went plat in strickly in New York or something. People on the Westcoast were buying puffy's album too lol

It's more then just a 'stream of artists' because you guys don't have a stream right now at all but guys are still not being supported.

[MurdaGame]

According to you. People use to say the samething about Atmosphere, have you checked his record sales lately?

who the fuk is Atmosphere? the only west coast artist people care bout is Game numbers dont lie

east coast got local rappers just like west side, Uncle Murda, Buddens:gag:, pap, remy ma:weirdo: etc

other than game we have nothing but legends who still put albums out but wont have a new west coast rapper on it...

so all we got is game, snoop, cube... any west coast rapper that went plat in the 90s

[TheVoice315]

man its because everybody in NY think they a boss...point blank period..n1ggas get on a few mixtapes get a baby buzz and start think they run s.hit

[west coast avenger]

Are you really trying to say that those dudes are established?
The list he posted contained platinum albums (one that went diamond), hit records, shiny suits, a sh*t ton of top videos and the airwaves flooded.
The list you posted contains a people a vast majority of fans would never have even heard of.
Personally, I've only heard of/listened to Madlib and Murs.
It's incomperable.

Your trying to tell me that Heiroglyphics isnt established?? Please stop. The list I posted has its notable's as well, NY was doing there thing in '97 that is why a vast majority of West Coast music from that time is over looked

[west coast avenger]

So?What does that have to do with their music? The average hip-hop fan doesn't know anything about them.
This is why I hate trying to argue with west coast heads, ya'll get so hurt over things and go into denial. The fact is, NY has had a ,until recently, steady stream of major new artists. Artists that go Top 40. West Coast hasn't had that since 1997. Therefore, the West has clung to the older artists and in NY they have flung them off as useless.
I'm not saying "West Coast sucks" or anything negative about the f@king west coast, but fact is fact.

The West had many rappers to come out Post '97, like I said before NY had the game on lock in '97 and there after, The West was black balled and therefore you didnt hear alot our sh1t.

[west coast avenger]

Who said anything about Atmosphere?and aren't they 2 people?

I was using Atmosphere as an example of a small time regional underground group that has come a long way and still puts up numbers, I was shocked to see that there new album is doing so well.

[Spiral Tap]

Your trying to tell me that Heiroglyphics isnt established?? Please stop. The list I posted has its notable's as well, NY was doing there thing in '97 that is why a vast majority of West Coast music from that time is over looked
As established as Mase, Cam, Puff, or Juelz?

We're comparing dudes who have gone platinum to dudes who have a cult following and a popular logo.

New York has had artists that stepped up and replaced the OG's.

Who from the West Coast has risen to the level of Snoop, Pac, Ice-T, and N.W.A.?

[Felonious Monk]

Post 1997? You got Puffy, Mase, Fab, 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, Big Pun, Ja Rule & Murda Ink, Cam'ron, Canibus, dead prez, I could go on and on...
Plus, you have pre-97 artists that eventually got real big, like Jay-Z, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes, and Wu-Tang Clan
West Coast since 97, had had....The Game, Xzibit, and a couple other cats and their pre-97 established artists.lemme break this down-

Puff BEEN established since late 80's

Mase-ever heard of children of the corn?

Lloyd banks-Who?

Murder Inc=Cash Money Click minus 2 members.

Fab-Okay(but used a westcoast/bay area producer for his 1st lead single?)

Cam-See Children of the Corn

Canibus - Who?

Dead Prez- You including Florida as the Eastcoast?




Minus Lloyd and Canibus all the Acts YOU just mentioned had Rap Careers PRE-1997.

Now Try UNHEARD of Mc's who have made a MAJOR impact in NYC Post 1997

Not MC's who got recognized and a deal YEARS after the fact..

[N*E*R*D*]

That's just an east coast mentality "get your old ass out the way" or "pass the torch old man". Down South and West Coast heads have the utmost respect for legends from their regions. You never hear any of these new rappers talking crazy about Bun B, Scarface, Cee-Lo, Dre, Big Boi etc. There is also a lot of comrade amongst rappers down south and on the west coast. So it's no problem to see Cee-Lo kicking it with a T.I. or Andre and Big Boi with a Lil Wayne or a Scarface with a Ludacris. There is love both ways from the legends and the ones who are on the come up. You don't have that up north it's mostly hatred and bitterness towards each other.

Where are the 4321s, John Blazes, Flava in Ya Ears, and I Shot Yas? It's been a very long time since you saw a lot of east coast artists that are great jump on the same track and represent.

[Dead End]

.....

I love the Bay, but some of you guys are just plain difficult to communicate with.

[westkoast2k2]

That's just an east coast mentality "get your old ass out the way" or "pass the torch old man". Down South and West Coast heads have the utmost respect for legends from their regions. You never hear any of these new rappers talking crazy about Bun B, Scarface, Cee-Lo, Dre, Big Boi etc. There is also a lot of comrade amongst rappers down south and on the west coast. So it's no problem to see Cee-Lo kicking it with a T.I. or Andre and Big Boi with a Lil Wayne or a Scarface with a Ludacris. There is love both ways from the legends and the ones who are on the come up. You don't have that up north it's mostly hatred and bitterness towards each other.

Where are the 4321s, John Blazes, Flava in Ya Ears, and I Shot Yas? It's been a very long time since you saw a lot of east coast artists that are great jump on the same track and represent.

Good post and this is part of what I was getting at. Is it a east coast mentality to always be up on new ****, no matter what?

The westcoast has plenty of other MCs to look at right now but we still continue to make sure Snoop, Too Short, and Ice Cube get that love.

[west coast avenger]

As established as Mase, Cam, Puff, or Juelz?
We're comparing dudes who have gone platinum to dudes who have a cult following and a popular logo.
New York has had artists that stepped up and replaced the OG's.
Who from the West Coast has risen to the level of Snoop, Pac, Ice-T, and N.W.A.?

Them Heiro n1ggaz is established homey whether they went platinum or not they are. Im sure you have heard of Del The Funky Homosapien, Casual & Tajai. Game I would say is the only n1gga that is on the level right now with our West Coast legends