So Jay Z responds to Deshawn Stevenson, but says NOTHING about Sean Bell?

[Breeze 50/50]

thats why he'll never be considered one of the GOATs, he'll never be a Pac or a Nas or a Chuck D... :thumbsdow

[Jadan the Magishan]

Nobody has made a song about Sean Bell yet

[Breeze 50/50]

Nobody has made a song about Sean Bell yet


not a song, im talkin about a statement

[PurpleKushy]

Jay's always been scared to make statements.

I agree, he'll never be a "legend"

[Eleventh_Capo]

the Camel gettin bitter in his old age im noticing

[Slice-Twice]

Jay's always been scared to make statements.
I agree, he'll never be a "legend"
Jay will always be a legendary rapper
but he'll never be a chuck d or pac....he don't got it in him..he's too shy

[MRSOUTHLONDON]

[Chappelle] Where Is Jaaaa?? [Chappelle]

[cadillac]

Nobody has made a song about Sean Bell yet
There's alot of songs about Sean Bell check AHH

[Mowgli]

Everyone on this forum would have shot Sean Bell if you were a police officer in the same situation. Police brutality has gotten so bad Black folks now defend degenerates.

[NotSoft]

Maybe cuz he havent done a interview yet?

[Breeze 50/50]

Maybe cuz he havent done a interview yet?


:dry:

[reddog271]

what does making a statement about Dude have to do with Jay Z's rap skills?

people just look for reasons to hate on Jay.

[KingStarbury3]

papoose made a song about sean bell....but that doesnt make him better then jay-z. Jay-z might not be on the level of pac, nas, rakim, but hes still a legend. I dont consider showing emotions to be a weakness, thats part of what made pac top 3 all time in my opinion. I cant say jay never showed emotions but i think thats part of what holds him back from being on that level.

[Art Barr]

Jay's always been scared to make statements.
I agree, he'll never be a "legend"


then he makes them later on to save face.

just like aaliyah and big l's death. yet when it is worth some money or an advancement to his career. dude is all big is my brother.

not more than big l, or your former sloppy seconds were in aaliyah.

you fronting a55 n!gga.

so much is wrong with jay on the emcee side of things, as honorable.
it is dispicable and deplorable.

dude sucks when you start to judge his intestinal fortitude as an actual emcee,........since bp.

plus, we won't get into how he couldn't say sh!t to cam, or nas initially in the beginning. yet deshawn stevenson is immediately attackable, in some sh!t he don't have nothing to do with. but yet, and still his name was brought up,...but when his name is brought up on some sh1T that is actually relevent to him as an emcee. dude will hide just for starters for eighteen months, lose a battle cry, and continue as a emcee with no actual backbone since then. .

goat candidate my a55.


art barr

[Art Barr]

papoose made a song about sean bell....but that doesnt make him better then jay-z. Jay-z might not be on the level of pac, nas, rakim, but hes still a legend. I dont consider showing emotions to be a weakness, thats part of what made pac top 3 all time in my opinion. I cant say jay never showed emotions but i think thats part of what holds him back from being on that level.


oh he showed some emotions...he cried.


art barr

[RaymondFarris]

All these Sean Bell songs are lame in my opinion....

[Art Barr]

what does making a statement about Dude have to do with Jay Z's rap skills?
people just look for reasons to hate on Jay.


well i didn't look for jay to make a sean bell statement because he isn't a conscious personality like the emcees, and real legends of our heyday were. who actually stood for something and made culturally tangible submissions, movement wise.

he was juxtaposed against that whole thing, from just wearing suits when he debuted.

so,..i never expect him to do something like take a stance on social issue. nor when he does take a stance i don't give him credit either.

when he made it a career move to big up big, to sell records and then tried to pr spin it like he cared about big's legacy in more of a way than to give him a rub. well, that leaves him open to other people who were influential and at least shouting them out once. which he didn't do for big l, till almost five years later. aaliyah, he waited for some posthumous sh!t to pop up.

i don't feel jay at all, anymore. as a matter of fact, he was just playing up to the camera for all the time...till his true colors were exposed during the battle period with nas, and jaz.

dude be fakin jax, yet he got delussional fans who go to no avail to try to stand up for that complete character flawed bullsh!T.

i'm glad he is nothing more than a rich rapper. he ain't no influence on being a real person at all, in no type of way. in the same way someone like krs is.

it is a joke really, to be honest......


who is tha goat. i look at you, lame as hell as an actual person if you say jayz. i know you really ain't got a good character to champion that boy that cried wolf.

art barr

[RaymondFarris]

well i didn't look for jay to make a sean bell statement because he isn't a conscious personality like the emcees, and real legends of our heyday were. who actually stood for something and made culturally tangible submissions, movement wise.
he was juxtaposed against that whole thing, from just wearing suits when he debuted.
so,..i never expect him to do something like take a stance on social issue. nor when he does take a stance i don't give him credit either.
when he made it a career move to big up big, to sell records and then tried to pr spin it like he cared about big's legacy in more of a way than to give him a rub. well, that leaves him open to other people who were influential and at least shouting them out once. which he didn't do for big l, till almost five years later. aaliyah, he waited for some posthumous sh!t to pop up.
i don't feel jay at all, anymore. as a matter of fact, he was just playing up to the camera for all the time...till his true colors were exposed during the battle period with nas, and jaz.
dude be fakin jax, yet he got delussional fans who go to no avail to try to stand up for that complete character flawed bullsh!T.
i'm glad he is nothing more than a rich rapper. he ain't no influence on being a real person at all, in no type of way. in the same way someone like krs is.
it is a joke really, to be honest......
who is tha goat. i look at you, lame as hell as an actual person if you say jayz. i know you really ain't got a good character to champion that boy that cried wolf.
art barr

I heard carl thomas blasting in the background while I was reading this...

[KingStarbury3]

oh he showed some emotions...he cried.
art barr
:laugh:

[Art Barr]

I heard carl thomas blasting in the background while I was reading this...


elaborate

[reddog271]

thing is... just because he's a talented rapper. doesn't mean he has to speak on public issues. I'm sure he has an heartfelt view just like everyone else does. But he not, nor is anyone else required to speak on Mr Bell.

He did make his statement about Katrina and Jena 6. So he's not completely quiet on social issues.

[kanethegreat]

what does making a statement about Dude have to do with Jay Z's rap skills?
people just look for reasons to hate on Jay.

Truth!

it's painfully obvious too. I mean, you got dudes writing paragraphs in here lol. It's always the same cast of characters too.

[Art Barr]

thing is... just because he's a talented rapper. doesn't mean he has to speak on public issues. I'm sure he has an heartfelt view just like everyone else does. But he not, nor is anyone else required to speak on Mr Bell.
He did make his statement about Katrina and Jena 6. So he's not completely quiet on social issues.


imo,...he made those statements because he probably thought the pr, would give him a much needed rub in the humanitarian department.

it didn't so,..........yet he clung to it. now, something happens in his home borough/town...dude is quiet as a mouse.

imagine, cube not saying somethind during the riots. or chuck d, not saying nothing about larry davis.


art barr

[NvMe]

first, he's taking care of the world he know :rolleyes:

[grock2727]

Some of yall are beyond stupid, I bet that if Jay had said something this thread would have been about Jay being an attention-whore.

Nevermind that Jay is actually supporting and putting money in Sean Bells families pockets (see Roc-aWear), and nevermind that Jay has always dealt with serious issues on his own time so as not to join the other "bandwagon activists" (see BIG, Aaliyah, Katrina), also nevermind that Jay has always done more through action then statements or rhymes (see Africa, 9/11, Katrina, Columbine), just go ahead and try to convince yourself that he's not already a legend and a GOAT to the world at large, good luck with that.

[TUC2DaBoot]

Y'all are the exact same nyggas that Dave Chappelle was talkin about in his stand-up... stop expecting celebrities to say somethin about a public issue. They got the right to not say shyt and keep it movin... and whether or not they say somethin will not effect ANYONE in the long run... Just look at Kanye West. Almost everybody has forgotten about his whole Bush comment...


Nyggas are on some "Where is Jay????????????" type shyt... :smh:

[pop203]

jay-z doesnt see how he could make money off of sean bell, obviously. jay-z is a business man, not an activist. his words mean nothing on that level. sticking up for lebron means getting lebron to the nets eventually, :yes:

[KINGBLU]

Y'all are the exact same nyggas that Dave Chappelle was talkin about in his stand-up... stop expecting celebrities to say somethin about a public issue. They got the right to not say shyt and keep it movin... and whether or not they say somethin will not effect ANYONE in the long run... Just look at Kanye West. Almost everybody has forgotten about his whole Bush comment...
Nyggas are on some "Where is Jay????????????" type shyt... :smh:
i havent bcuz wait he said was da truth

[RaymondFarris]

elaborate

U seemed real "emotional":laugh:

Anyway...

Jay probably seeing all these n.ggaz hoping on the "sean bell song" bandwagon so he probably keeping it moving...he'll probably throw out a slick line and that's it....that man is not obligated to speak on that..some of yall are getting carried away...

Where's the Nas song at????????

[Setaholic]

papoose made a song about sean bell....but that doesnt make him better then jay-z. Jay-z might not be on the level of pac, nas, rakim, but hes still a legend. I dont consider showing emotions to be a weakness, thats part of what made pac top 3 all time in my opinion. I cant say jay never showed emotions but i think thats part of what holds him back from being on that level.


Basically, he is to arrogant. I can't think of any other top 20 emcee, is so arrogant to a fault.

[reddog271]

imo,...he made those statements because he probably thought the pr, would give him a much needed rub in the humanitarian department.
it didn't so,..........yet he clung to it. now, something happens in his home borough/town...dude is quiet as a mouse.
imagine, cube not saying somethind during the riots. or chuck d, not saying nothing about larry davis.
art barr


so if he makes a statement it's for PR, but if he doesn't, then he's wrong? Tell me how he wins here.

[ONE ABOVE ALL]

Nobody has made a song about Sean Bell yet
game made a song and so did NYOIL.

[pop203]

game made a song and so did NYOIL.
so did papoose.

[grock2727]

so if he makes a statement it's for PR, but if he doesn't, then he's wrong? Tell me how he wins here.

He doesn't win, like I said had Jay said something this thread would still exist, only the title would have been "Jay is an attention whore, now he's using Sean Bell, SMH".

Bottomline is this, if yall can name an MC who has actually DONE more for the people, and I'm not talking just rapping some "keep ya head up/I can" shyt, I'm talking actual actions, then I'll give you props.

[Slice-Twice]

well i didn't look for jay to make a sean bell statement because he isn't a conscious personality like the emcees, and real legends of our heyday were. who actually stood for something and made culturally tangible submissions, movement wise.
he was juxtaposed against that whole thing, from just wearing suits when he debuted.
so,..i never expect him to do something like take a stance on social issue. nor when he does take a stance i don't give him credit either.
when he made it a career move to big up big, to sell records and then tried to pr spin it like he cared about big's legacy in more of a way than to give him a rub. well, that leaves him open to other people who were influential and at least shouting them out once. which he didn't do for big l, till almost five years later. aaliyah, he waited for some posthumous sh!t to pop up.
i don't feel jay at all, anymore. as a matter of fact, he was just playing up to the camera for all the time...till his true colors were exposed during the battle period with nas, and jaz.
dude be fakin jax, yet he got delussional fans who go to no avail to try to stand up for that complete character flawed bullsh!T.
i'm glad he is nothing more than a rich rapper. he ain't no influence on being a real person at all, in no type of way. in the same way someone like krs is.
it is a joke really, to be honest......
who is tha goat. i look at you, lame as hell as an actual person if you say jayz. i know you really ain't got a good character to champion that boy that cried wolf.
art barr
now thats ether, sh*t needs to be posted in every jay-z thread as a disclaimer

[Slice-Twice]

U seemed real "emotional":laugh:
Anyway...
Jay probably seeing all these n.ggaz hoping on the "sean bell song" bandwagon so he probably keeping it moving...he'll probably throw out a slick line and that's it....that man is not obligated to speak on that..some of yall are getting carried away...
Where's the Nas song at????????
who cares if its a bandwagon thing, its something that needs to be said and something that needs to be done

[Art Barr]

Some of yall are beyond stupid, I bet that if Jay had said something this thread would have been about Jay being an attention-whore.
Nevermind that Jay is actually supporting and putting money in Sean Bells families pockets (see Roc-aWear), and nevermind that Jay has always dealt with serious issues on his own time so as not to join the other "bandwagon activists" (see BIG, Aaliyah, Katrina), also nevermind that Jay has always done more through action then statements or rhymes (see Africa, 9/11, Katrina, Columbine), just go ahead and try to convince yourself that he's not already a legend and a GOAT to the world at large, good luck with that.


so vol i's ode to big on the bigger defjam during and after are not bandwagony, and an attempt in the same vein to capitalize, on a tragedy.

same damn sh!t except this time it has no monetary reward. plus, if he would be championed he would expose himself because dude's whole character is self centered when having to deal with real issues that don't involve him you see how initially shallow he really is.....regardless how he tries to hide it.

dude is just a popular 'rapper' and that is it as far as i'm concerned.


he isn't built like the legends of our day, and he is even from that day. goes to show you why it took so long for dude to get on. he wasn't skilled then, and had to wait till the dilution of rapper's character was marketable to gain any pr, or monetary worth.

the proof is in the timeline, of jay. he has firmly entrenched himself in what his character is about. money,..phuck hiphop, even phuck his perception as an actual emcee. dude is about a dollar, and any other venture he may launch to prove any other avenue is just pr fake posturing.

art barr

jayz' : nobody said nothing when i contributed to katrina.


so,...n!gga you only did it for the pr,.....

sohh, from how you come across in the media...no one cares, n!gga.

[reddog271]

who cares if its a bandwagon thing, its something that needs to be said and something that needs to be done


ok, so what makes Jay Z qualified to speak on it?

[NotSoft]

well i didn't look for jay to make a sean bell statement because he isn't a conscious personality like the emcees, and real legends of our heyday were. who actually stood for something and made culturally tangible submissions, movement wise.
he was juxtaposed against that whole thing, from just wearing suits when he debuted.
so,..i never expect him to do something like take a stance on social issue. nor when he does take a stance i don't give him credit either.
when he made it a career move to big up big, to sell records and then tried to pr spin it like he cared about big's legacy in more of a way than to give him a rub. well, that leaves him open to other people who were influential and at least shouting them out once. which he didn't do for big l, till almost five years later. aaliyah, he waited for some posthumous sh!t to pop up.
i don't feel jay at all, anymore. as a matter of fact, he was just playing up to the camera for all the time...till his true colors were exposed during the battle period with nas, and jaz.
dude be fakin jax, yet he got delussional fans who go to no avail to try to stand up for that complete character flawed bullsh!T.
i'm glad he is nothing more than a rich rapper. he ain't no influence on being a real person at all, in no type of way. in the same way someone like krs is.
it is a joke really, to be honest......
who is tha goat. i look at you, lame as hell as an actual person if you say jayz. i know you really ain't got a good character to champion that boy that cried wolf.
art barr



Jay wuz exposed by Nas?think it wuz the other way around....Nas dedicates songs to Biggie and Pac and talks about how great they were meanwhile he wuz dissin Biggie in songs but still tellin Biggie he would help him diss Pac....Jay helped Biggies family and also helped get that Brooklyn Mint clothin line goin....I hate these concious rappers who do nuthin but run they mouth alot on wax alot more than a rapper who aint concious just makin they money and shuttin up...at least they not pretendin...and jay actually does help out off wax...lol at him makin a song about katrina bein better than givin money to katrina....yea im sure that song woulda made katrina victims feel alot better fuk the money...we barely got a statement from Obama and yall want one from Jay?i think e-40 one of the goats and i dont expect political statements from dude.

[Fatal Lightning]

Y'all are the exact same nyggas that Dave Chappelle was talkin about in his stand-up... stop expecting celebrities to say somethin about a public issue. They got the right to not say shyt and keep it movin... and whether or not they say somethin will not effect ANYONE in the long run... Just look at Kanye West. Almost everybody has forgotten about his whole Bush comment...

Nyggas are on some "Where is Jay????????????" type shyt... :smh:

:yes:

[kanethegreat]

Jay wuz exposed by Nas?think it wuz the other way around....Nas dedicates songs to Biggie and Pac and talks about how great they were meanwhile he wuz dissin Biggie in songs but still tellin Biggie he would help him diss Pac....Jay helped Biggies family and also helped get that Brooklyn Mint clothin line goin....I hate these concious rappers who do nuthin but run they mouth alot on wax alot more than a rapper who aint concious just makin they money and shuttin up...at least they not pretendin...and jay actually does help out off wax...lol at him makin a song about katrina bein better than givin money to katrina....yea im sure that song woulda made katrina victims feel alot better fuk the money...we barely got a statement from Obama and yall want one from Jay?i think e-40 one of the goats and i dont expect political statements from dude.

more TRUTH!


it'll be ignored though

[Art Barr]

so if he makes a statement it's for PR, but if he doesn't, then he's wrong? Tell me how he wins here.


read all my comments in this post. one is already quoted.....
and the comment in that post is it should be posted as a disclaimer for all sohh.com/forums jayz threads...so figure that into your calculation.

this sh!t i quoted, and respond to of yours only deals with a small variable of the whole sh!t, in this situation.


art barr

[grock2727]

who cares if its a bandwagon thing, its something that needs to be said and something that needs to be done

Ofcourse, but the timing has to be right, and now with everybody and they mother dropping songs about it, it just comes off as a plea for some publicity. Here's a great example, theres a thread on this board about the king of publicity stunts (50 Cent) coming out with a Sean Bell song, now you know shyts gotten ridiculous.

[Art Barr]

Jay wuz exposed by Nas?think it wuz the other way around....Nas dedicates songs to Biggie and Pac and talks about how great they were meanwhile he wuz dissin Biggie in songs but still tellin Biggie he would help him diss Pac....Jay helped Biggies family and also helped get that Brooklyn Mint clothin line goin....I hate these concious rappers who do nuthin but run they mouth alot on wax alot more than a rapper who aint concious just makin they money and shuttin up...at least they not pretendin...and jay actually does help out off wax...lol at him makin a song about katrina bein better than givin money to katrina....yea im sure that song woulda made katrina victims feel alot better fuk the money...we barely got a statement from Obama and yall want one from Jay?i think e-40 one of the goats and i dont expect political statements from dude.

great post, notsoft.........

hold up,....i'm glad you said that in this thread.

but, on the real...i always say and parrallel nas's new bullsh!t i wanna be a culturally relevent original culture stealer in kente cloth a55.

this wasn't about nas, but since this is sohh.com.

nas is dumb too.

i gotta a whole thread on why nas is dumb,...and completely a departure from the culture rich kid we initially were introduced to.

this wasn't about nas, but since this is about jay. i guess someone will mention and tie it in.


art barr

nas in the same bandwagon with all these fakeneo soul motherphuckers too. he, a purple album jacket alexander o'neil neon letter fake now, too

[Slice-Twice]

ok, so what makes Jay Z qualified to speak on it?
Cause he built up this image of someone people can look up to, and if you deny that your crazy....now he is letting people down.

People that are waiting for jay-z to respond are his dellusional stans that really think he will save them from this miserable world...

[Slice-Twice]

art barr
nas in the same bandwagon with all these fakeneo soul motherphuckers too. he, a purple album jacket alexander o'neil neon letter fake now, too
trust, we don't want nas speaking for anyone
dude is a huge hypocrit, and sounds like a moron in interviews, he may speak the truth in his rhymes, but in his interviews he just comes across as some burnt out weed head

[grock2727]

so vol i's ode to big on the bigger defjam during and after are not bandwagony, and an attempt in the same vein to capitalize, on a tragedy..

This is all I can respond to because it's the only thing I barely understood, the rest is your usual incoherent gibberish punctuated by bad grammar, but I know thats your style and it's not your fault you BOE failed you.

Moving along, again you miss the point, it's all in the timing. Big died in March, yet Vol 1 did not drop until November, compare that to Puff who seeked to capitalize on the tragedy immediatly by dropping tribute songs he did'nt even write and rushed the album out by July.

I hope these facts can somewhat enlighten you.

[Gawd Intellect]

the Camel gettin bitter in his old age im noticing

:laugh:

Old nicca goin through menopause :laugh:

[TUC2DaBoot]

Once again... all I see is a bunch of nyggas that are really just sayin:

Where is Jay??????????? I need Jay.... to help me understand this Sean Bell situation. He needs to speak on it or I'm not gonna like him anymore! How can he not help me in this time of crisis??? Oh this is terrible, woe is me... Where is Jay??????

Just man up and realize that's how most of y'all sound right now...

[Ghostface Poster]

Anyway you slice it. Jiggaboo is a lame for responding to a beef between two b-ball players that doesn't really involve him yet dodging rappers that go directly at him.

anyone expecting him to say something real about issues is wasting their time.Its all pr for him when he does something. A bunch of rappers donated to tragedies like 9/11 and the jena 6. He did it and then started crying about it on blueprint 2 to discredit nas.