NYOIL Says Nas Pretends To Know About The Social Problems Of Black People

[doeboy]

these days.. i like to keep quiet in these type of discussion and with this inarticulate post, its easy to see why. you said absolutely nothing in this post. all you did was:
1. bend over backwards to cuk nas off for getting ppl to discuss a topic that was already a topic of heavy discussion. the most recent examples were the michael richard's and rutger's bball women/don imus situations from about a year ago. where were all you nas groupies for those discussions on the word "n1gger"? nas isnt sparking a new discussion nor is he adding anything new to the discussion.

2.chastise ppl for critiquing this song as if we have to wait until the whole album comes out to challenge what he's saying in this song. you lames damn sure didnt wait until you heard the whole album before you started praising nas as the "goat" over this 1 song. you just got thru praising dude for sparking some kind of discussion when he didnt even really say anything. the song is out here, and you dont need to wait until you hear the whole album to speak on this 1 song. if the album contains a more articulate and clear message and better explains the statement that nas is tryna make, then any reasonable person will give him credit for doing so. he didnt do it with this song regardles of how hard his legion of sohh sheep try to convince ppl that he did. it is what it is.Sure I just went on a rant without reading what the guy said smh, NYOIL is a joke and shouldn't even be given his 15 seconds he's getting now on Sohh.you damn sure didnt challenge any of the points he made. all you did was come up here and cry about dude being a mad hater, the typical simpleminded dikrider retort. i doubt that you or anybody else that came up here and made the same pea brained argument, read or understood what this guy is really saying.

[G-Zeus]

and with this inarticulate post, its easy to see why. you said absolutely nothing in this post. all you did was:
1. bend over backwards to cuk nas off for getting ppl to discuss a topic that was already a topic of heavy discussion. the most recent examples were the michael richard's and rutger's bball women/don imus situations from about a year ago. where were all you nas groupies for those discussions on the word "n1gger"? nas isnt sparking a new discussion nor is he adding anything new to the discussion.
2.chastise ppl for critiquing this song as if we have to wait until the whole album comes out to challenge what he's saying in this song. you lames damn sure didnt wait until you heard the whole album before you started praising nas as the "goat" over this 1 song. you just got thru praising dude for sparking some kind of discussion when he didnt even really say anything. the song is out here, and you dont need to wait until you hear the whole album to speak on this 1 song. if the album contains a more articulate and clear message and better explains the statement that nas is tryna make, then any reasonable person will give him credit for doing so. he didnt do it with this song regardles of how hard his legion of sohh sheep try to convince ppl that he did. it is what it is.you damn sure didnt challenge any of the points he made. all you did was come up here and cry about dude being a mad hater, the typical simpleminded dikrider retort. i doubt that you or anybody else that came up here and made the same pea brained argument, read or understood what this guy is really saying.


rub your nipples now, you deserve it.

[gawdbondie]

these days.. i like to keep quiet in these type of discussion because nothing is ever proved to no one cuz no one is willing to read and aknowledge.
but you guys need to aknowledge this..
1. thanks to nas all of you are discussing a very important mather...AGAIN.
2. you guys are debating on 1 song when he is making a whole album about the subject.
now the second point is what kills me... nas served you guys an appetizer and yall ran out of the restaurant with those journalistic point of view posts and got on ya'll hater/over enthousiatic job. how about waiting on the whole fukkin meal to judge what kind of food for thought he is serving?
everyone and everybody trying to prove a point about nas perspective toward the word nigguh has proved that nas is actually right.. it's time to discuss n1gger. only thing is.. you are not proving anythin pro/cons nas by using this one song as your argument as per it's purpose is to get you to talk about the him and his upcomming realease.
once again, you journalist posters with you dumb smart nigguh comments got the best of you thinking you are "shedding light" in a mather that is still dark to everyone. this also includes NY OIL who knew what nas subject mathers was gonna like everyone else a year ago, even two years ago when HHID was suppose to be Nigguh but got scraped. He got on his job to get some shine out of this thinking he unvealed nas whole plan base on one song :dry:
cant agree or disagree with him until i hear the album. that's nas plan, an album NOT a song.
on point Imo.

I dont see how anyone can really argue for or against any of this stuff
without at least listening to the whole album first.

[Blackman28]

these days.. i like to keep quiet in these type of discussion because nothing is ever proved to no one cuz no one is willing to read and aknowledge.
but you guys need to aknowledge this..
1. thanks to nas all of you are discussing a very important mather...AGAIN.
2. you guys are debating on 1 song when he is making a whole album about the subject.
now the second point is what kills me... nas served you guys an appetizer and yall ran out of the restaurant with those journalistic point of view posts and got on ya'll hater/over enthousiatic job. how about waiting on the whole fukkin meal to judge what kind of food for thought he is serving?
everyone and everybody trying to prove a point about nas perspective toward the word nigguh has proved that nas is actually right.. it's time to discuss n1gger. only thing is.. you are not proving anythin pro/cons nas by using this one song as your argument as per it's purpose is to get you to talk about the him and his upcomming realease.
once again, you journalist posters with you dumb smart nigguh comments got the best of you thinking you are "shedding light" in a mather that is still dark to everyone. this also includes NY OIL who knew what nas subject mathers was gonna like everyone else a year ago, even two years ago when HHID was suppose to be Nigguh but got scraped. He got on his job to get some shine out of this thinking he unvealed nas whole plan base on one song :dry:
cant agree or disagree with him until i hear the album. that's nas plan, an album NOT a song.

This is the REAL post that shut this thread down.

[G-Zeus]

and with this inarticulate post, its easy to see why. you said absolutely nothing in this post. all you did was:
1. bend over backwards to cuk nas off for getting ppl to discuss a topic that was already a topic of heavy discussion. the most recent examples were the michael richard's and rutger's bball women/don imus situations from about a year ago. where were all you nas groupies for those discussions on the word "n1gger"? nas isnt sparking a new discussion nor is he adding anything new to the discussion.
2.chastise ppl for critiquing this song as if we have to wait until the whole album comes out to challenge what he's saying in this song. you lames damn sure didnt wait until you heard the whole album before you started praising nas as the "goat" over this 1 song. you just got thru praising dude for sparking some kind of discussion when he didnt even really say anything. the song is out here, and you dont need to wait until you hear the whole album to speak on this 1 song. if the album contains a more articulate and clear message and better explains the statement that nas is tryna make, then any reasonable person will give him credit for doing so. he didnt do it with this song regardles of how hard his legion of sohh sheep try to convince ppl that he did. it is what it is.you damn sure didnt challenge any of the points he made. all you did was come up here and cry about dude being a mad hater, the typical simpleminded dikrider retort. i doubt that you or anybody else that came up here and made the same pea brained argument, read or understood what this guy is really saying.

and you know what pisses me off about you?

its the fact that i chastised both the people critisizing the track and those blindly loving the track and yet... you came at me like i was being one sided. you put yourself in this thread with a one sided point of view and now your trying to force my words into the opposite of yours while in fact i am more debating that you might be right. but no one know for sure because we got 1 song out of 12-16 songs and even worse, this song might not even make the final cut. ("where yall at"????)

this song has but one purpose... give you a taste of what's to come.. now if you feel like this is a bad taste of what's to come then fine.. but it still proves nothing about the album other then you dont like the avant-taste.

so before i hit the ignore button PLEASE...use your arguments arcording to my point of view and not yours in the for of mine.

now.. on that articulate shyt.. HOW MANY FUKKING TIMES MUST I TELL YOU ENGLISH IS MY THIRD FUKKLING LANGUAGES... i am allowed to botched the shyt a little, dont compare your first and most likely ONLY fluently speaking language to mine.

do remind yourself.. someone who fluently speaks a language will never be anything more then someone who speaks a language fluently.. an english teacher at best. you need so much more to back it up and make something out of all that "articulation" of yours.

my black ass is about to be an engineer without being articulate :thumbsdow

[Art Barr]

:laugh: 1 ally and you chase even him away.....smh.


that is his way,...just pardon the dude.



i tried to ignore him, because of who he is,..but i was objective and was like nah......imma put the real on his quote.

maybe not his whole arguement,...but that blurb and thought was in a nice direction.


dude is definately in soundwaves hands now, completely decked out in flashhiders and silencers.

art barr

[doeboy]

and you know what pisses me off about you?fuk you and what "pisses you off".

its the fact that i chastised both the people critisizing the track and those blindly loving the track and yet... you came at me like i was being one sided. you put yourself in this thread with a one sided point of view and now your trying to force my words into the opposite of yours while in fact i am more debating that you might be right. but no one know for sure because we got 1 song out of 12-16 songs and even worse, this song might not even make the final cut. ("where yall at"????)i specifically outlined the reasons that i "came at you". the 1st reason was because you tried to give nas some kind of credit for sparking a discussion that has been going on for decades, and the 2nd was because you were chastising ppl for expressing their opinion of this song as if we need to wait until we hear the whole album to do so. can you read or not? the opinion that ive expressed in this thread are about this song and this song only, i havent spoken on an album that i havent heard. i dont need to hear nas's whole album to speak on what he said in this particular song.


this song has but one purpose... give you a taste of what's to come.. youre not nas chump, you cant speak on what the purpose of this song is. the hell is wrong with you ppl?

now if you feel like this is a bad taste of what's to come then fine.. but it still proves nothing about the album other then you dont like the avant-taste.
so before i hit the ignore button PLEASE...use your arguments arcording to my point of view and not yours in the for of mine.if it makes you feel better to hit the ignore button then do you, i couldnt care less. ill say it again tho, i havent spoken on the album as a whole, only this song in particular. i also clearly understood your point of view and explained why i think that what you said is bullsht.

[COLOR="Red"][B]now.. on that articulate shyt.. miss me with the personal sht man, i couldnt care less about you or your personal history. everything i say to you or any other poster on sohh is based on what youve said regarding the topics at hand.that is his way,...just pardon the dude.stop being a pussie. dont try and give me a backhanded compliment then act surprised when i salp you in the mouth with the truth.

[E-MAC]

you damn sure didnt challenge any of the points he made. all you did was come up here and cry about dude being a mad hater, the typical simpleminded dikrider retort. i doubt that you or anybody else that came up here and made the same pea brained argument, read or understood what this guy is really saying.

The guy is nothing but a mad hater, his essay read like the typical kind of stuff the Nas haters post on Sohh everyday the guy is a typical angry and bitter Nas stan.

[breze]

whats good playboy
speaking of mad........kobe bout to send ai back home
:smoker:

Yea he is...

Kobe is playin out of his MIND right now...And the Nuggets play NO DEFENSE...

Ima wait for George Karl to get fired...Then maybe the Nuggets can play to they potential...

[Tetris v2.0]

and you know what pisses me off about you?
its the fact that i chastised both the people critisizing the track and those blindly loving the track and yet... you came at me like i was being one sided.
LOL Dude dont bother. He feeds off this sh1t. He can take your words twist them and go on and on for paragraphs typing some of the most hateful, frustrated sh1t you can imagine. The entire world is a figment of his imagination. Thankfully Jay-Z hasnt been mentioned yet. I cant do these online debates man. When it comes to multiple quoted paragraphs and personal insults, I just say "fukk it" :laugh:

[doeboy]

LOL Dude dont bother. He feeds off this sh1t. He can take your words twist them and go on and on for paragraphs typing some of the most hateful, frustrated sh1t you can imagine. The entire world is a figment of his imagination. Thankfully Jay-Z hasnt been mentioned yet. I cant do these online debates man. When it comes to multiple quoted paragraphs and personal insults, I just say "fukk it" :laugh:ahhh, aint this sweet. one lame consoling, comforting, and reassuring another lame after being victimized by big bad doeboy. maybe you cats should start a sohh doeboy support group so you can get together and talk about it.

you ppl are so stupid and pussie its funny. why come in here and make a indirect personal attack on me(which is ironic, seeing as how thats what youre accusing me of doing) instead of just debating the issue at hand since you obviously disagree? ill tell you why, its because youre a mental midget and you know that it's no use even trying.

[Tetris v2.0]

ahhh, aint this sweet. one lame consoling, comforting, and reassuring another lame after being victimized by big bad doeboy. maybe you cats should start a sohh doeboy support group so you can get together and talk about it.
you ppl are so stupid and pussie its funny. why come in here and make a indirect personal attack on me(which is ironic, seeing as how thats what youre accusing me of doing) instead of just debating the issue at hand since you obviously disagree? ill tell you why, its because youre a mental midget and you know that it's no use even trying.
I wrote a big post stating my opinion on what he wrote a few pages back, if you wanna pull that up and have a nice civil debate, Id be more than happy.

[G-Zeus]

fuk you and what "pisses you off".
i specifically outlined the reasons that i "came at you". the 1st reason was because you tried to give nas some kind of credit for sparking a discussion that has been going on for decades, and the 2nd was because you were chastising ppl for expressing their opinion of this song as if we need to wait until we hear the whole album to do so. can you read or not? the opinion that ive expressed in this thread are about this song and this song only, i havent spoken on an album that i havent heard. i dont need to hear nas's whole album to speak on what he said in this particular song.
youre not nas chump, you cant speak on what the purpose of this song is. the hell is wrong with you ppl?
if it makes you feel better to hit the ignore button then do you, i couldnt care less. ill say it again tho, i havent spoken on the album as a whole, only this song in particular. i also clearly understood your point of view and explained why i think that what you said is bullsht.
miss me with the personal sht man, i couldnt care less about you or your personal history. everything i say to you or any other poster on sohh is based on what youve said regarding the topics at hand.stop being a pussie. dont try and give me a backhanded compliment then act surprised when i salp you in the mouth with the truth.


your a special kind of moron.


well i guess it's best you believe your shyt cuz if you ever step out of that deluded state of yours, u might realize your breath are as needed as your inputs.

[doeboy]

Well I read everything he said, and he makes the point about how blacks can never lose the "n1gger" while other races can drop it and go on to something else. I dont agree with it, neither does Nas. It seems like Oil's point is to say that the black struggle is permanently unequal and that making the N-word a talking-point in the hip-hop community is disrespectful in and of itself. thats not his point, youre completely wrong here. oil's point wasnt that making the word "n1gger" a talking point was direspectful in and of itself. he even pointed out that he had made a song adressing the use of the word. he is simply saying that his message was the exact opposite of nas's message. he thinks that the word is used too cavalierly. he doesnt agree with nas's attempt to diffuse the word by tryna make it an all inclusive term used to represent all races.

He seems very ethnocentric about it, while the spotlight of the word is on black people, white people cant lose the "cracker" just like how asians cant lose the "gook" and jews cant lost the "kike". The idea is that everyone is typecasted.did you not read this quote? We’re the only race that embraces our disgrace, and now you would have everyone else sing along with us in our shame. do you see white ppl running around calling each other crackers, asians calling each other gooks, or jews calling each other kikes? yes, every1 is typecasted or stereotyped in some sense, but black ppl are the only race of ppl that embrace the stereotypes. you dont see those races embracing the derogatory terms that are used to belittle and demean their ppl.

He shows his ass when he says Nas doesnt understand the black struggle. Who does this guy think he is? The all-understanding, all-wordly black person?! What gives him the right to speak his mind on the issue and not Nas?
so you have to be an all-understanding black person to criticize another black person for displaying ignorance regarding our struggle? "who does this guy think he is?" obviously he thinks that he's a grown man with a mind and opinion of his own. nowhere in that blog did he attempt to silence nas or claim that nas didnt have the right to speak his mind. a better question is, who do you think nas is? do you think that nas is some1 that is above criticism? sounds like it to me.

He says Nas has no agenda other than shock value, but Nas' agenda is clear to me. He wants the word to be brought to the forefront so people can learn its history and be forced to contend with it. He's tired of people being afraid of it and tired of it being mystified into some sort of culture symbol that only blacks can comprehend.where did you get all of this from? this is something that you made up. i damn sure didnt hear nas articulate this position in the song that we are currently discussing. if so, point out the lyrics that you are referring to where nas is advocating that ppl learn the history of the word. the only thing i hear nas doing is tryna justify using the word by making it an all inclusive term used to describe everybody. as i said earlier, the word "n1gger" and its use by black ppl has been at the forefront for decades. nas isnt shedding light on a subject that has been in the dark. you can go back 30 years to richard pryor talking about the word and how a trip to africa changed his whole mentality regarding the way that he used it to refer to other black ppl. hiphop has kept the word at the forefront.

Nas is NOT the artist who's been "dressed up" as revolutionary by labels. This is the same Nas who said he snuffed Jesus, who made I Gave You Power and Black Girl Lost, who made the Hate Me Now video, who made One Mic etc. while i genuinely like each 1 of the songs that you just mentioned, not 1 of them can be considered a "revultionary" song or a song with a revolutionary message. i dont think that nas has been dressed up as a "revolutionary" artist by the labels, i think that nas has done this himself. obviously nas has songs that deal with the social condition of blacks in amerikkka, but he's not a real revolutionist. for every socially conscious song that he has in his catalogue, theres 2 -3 "ignorant sh1t" type of songs. i think that nas is somewhat guilty of tryna be controversial just for the hype.

The point Oil is making applies to people like Jadakiss for making "Why" and Eminem for making "Mosh" but Nas has always been insightful with his music. He might not be purely revolutionary like Oil and Immortal Technique, but the "artist of change" never gets signed to majors. The "artist of change" also usually plays his or herself out after awhile if they dont experiment with more casual and relatable content.
So therefore my verdict is: crabs in a barrell glad to see that you can admit that nas isnt a true revolutionist. look, im not really tryna hate on nas, but i do agree with a lot that oil had to say in that blog and i dont really think that its appropriate to try and dismiss him as some kind of hater or crab that is tryna pull nas back into the bucket.

[Tetris v2.0]

thats not his point, youre completely wrong here. oil's point wasnt that making the word "n1gger" a talking point was direspectful in and of itself. he even pointed out that he had made a song adressing the use of the word. he is simply saying that his message was the exact opposite of nas's message. he thinks that the word is used too cavalierly. he doesnt agree with nas's attempt to diffuse the word by tryna make it an all inclusive term used to represent all races.
did you not read this quote? We’re the only race that embraces our disgrace, and now you would have everyone else sing along with us in our shame. do you see white ppl running around calling each other crackers, asians calling each other gooks, or jews calling each other kikes? yes, every1 is typecasted or stereotyped in some sense, but black ppl are the only race of ppl that embrace the stereotypes. you dont see those races embracing the derogatory terms that are used to belittle and demean their ppl.
so you have to be an all-understanding black person to criticize another black person for displaying ignorance regarding our struggle? "who does this guy think he is?" obviously he thinks that he's a grown man with a mind and opinion of his own. nowhere in that blog did he attempt to silence nas or claim that nas didnt have the right to speak his mind. a better question is, who do you think nas is? do you think that nas is some1 that is above criticism? sounds like it to me.
where did you get all of this from? this is something that you made up. i damn sure didnt hear nas articulate this position in the song that we are currently discussing. if so, point out the lyrics that you are referring to where nas is advocating that ppl learn the history of the word. the only thing i hear nas doing is tryna justify using the word by making it an all inclusive term used to describe everybody. as i said earlier, the word "n1gger" and its use by black ppl has been at the forefront for decades. nas isnt shedding light on a subject that has been in the dark. you can go back 30 years to richard pryor talking about the word and how a trip to africa changed his whole mentality regarding the way that he used it to refer to other black ppl. hiphop has kept the word at the forefront.
while i genuinely like each 1 of the songs that you just mentioned, not 1 of them can be considered a "revultionary" song or a song with a revolutionary message. i dont think that nas has been dressed up as a "revolutionary" artist by the labels, i think that nas has done this himself. obviously nas has songs that deal with the social condition of blacks in amerikkka, but he's not a real revolutionist. for every socially conscious song that he has in his catalogue, theres 2 -3 "ignorant sh1t" type of songs. i think that nas is somewhat guilty of tryna be controversial just for the hype.
glad to see that you can admit that nas isnt a true revolutionist. look, im not really tryna hate on nas, but i do agree with a lot that oil had to say in that blog and i dont really think that its appropriate to try and dismiss him as some kind of hater or crab that is tryna pull nas back into the bucket.

I cant figure out how to do the multiple quote thing....

Nas and Ny.Oil have just as much right as one another to voice an opinion on this. I think people should openly talk about it, so does Nas. Maybe Ny.Oil does too, but the general public could care less so as a fan of Nas, I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

Nas did say that his message was to expose the word and illustrate its power. He said it at the Grammys and he's said in just about every interview where someone asks him about the album title.

Blacks are the ones who embrace the pain the most, but theyre not the only ones who do it though. There are lots of Asian and Hispanic comedians whose entire platform deals with their race. This issue has been tackled by many rappers, but it seems like Nas isnt going about it in the typical black-nationalist fashion that Cube and PE did. Im interested to hear more...

Nas doesnt have to be a revolutionary. Thats so typical, I wont even elaborate on it. He's a rapper with feels he has a bit of social responsbility. There arent many of them sadly.

He has 1 conscious song for every 3 ignorant songs?????? On "Hip Hop Is Dead" the only ignorant songs are "Money Over Bulls..." and "Hustlers". "Streets Disciple" is mostly social commentary and storytelling. "Made You Look" is the only ignorant song on "Gods Son". "Lost Tapes" has no ignorant songs. "Got Urself A Gun" and "Smokin" are the only ignorant-type songs on "Stillmatic". Are we talking about the same person at all?!! :confused:

Basically the way I see it is that Nas isnt trying to change the paradigm surrounding the word itself, by himself. He's giving food for the thought in the form of music. This will hopefully bring about discussion where people will put him on blast (as we're witnessing) and where other people will agree with whatever point he makes come album time. The fact is, this is a really great thing. This might be the most intelligent discussion that will emerge as a result of hip-hop in a longtime. It will hopefully be a discussion that doesnt involve pointing the finger at usual suspects like "the white man", "the ignorant ghetto youth" and "gangster-rap".

I honestly dont think Nas is doing this for the money. I dont think he needs it that bad. And as you shouldve noticed, his discography speaks for itself. He's someone who cares about the music he makes. I hope youre not advocating censorship on this issue, cause that would be really awful.

So therefore my question to you (and Oil) is "What is your problem with what Nas is doing? And what would you rather he do??".

[G-Zeus]

[QUOTE=Tetris v2.0;1059907675]I cant figure out how to do the multiple quote thing....
Nas and Ny.Oil have just as much right as one another to voice an opinion on this. I think people should openly talk about it, so does Nas. Maybe Ny.Oil I wont even [/QUOTE



[QUOTE=Tetris v2.0;1059907675]I cant figure out how to do the multiple
So therefore my question to you is "What is your problem with what Nas is doing? And what would you rather he do??"[/QUOTE



[QUOTE=Tetris v2.0;1059907675]I cant figure out how to do the multiple
So therefore my question to you is "[/QUOTE


i purposely removed the last bracket so you can see.

you just delete the excessive part and repeat.

p.s.

give up man.. this dude is not normal. probably a sociopath

[LukeCage888]

lol...so the guy who had a video called "Y'all should all get lynched" with pictures of popular rappers is criticizing someone for being provocative to gain attention?

Excuse me?