What does it say about our society when a song like 'Lollipop' is a smash hit?

[Eye Cue 182]

Looks like its on the way to being just that. And despite the overall mediocre reception its received on the internet (and in the streets), the song appears to gaining major steam on the airwaves.

Does this mean something is wrong with us as human beings? What allows us to make this song break records that pop-icons like Beyonce and Mariah couldn't do themselves?

This strikes a nerve in me personally. For the first time in my adult life, I think I'm totally disconnected with the very same hip-hop generation I came up in. Just 8 years ago, no way would this song be a top-50 hit, let alone #1. Not to condemn the South, but I really feel dumber after listening to alot of their representative artists. They add nothing to the music scene legacy wise. Its like music is running in circles, and the fact a song like Lollipop is a hit perfectly reflects this premise.

So while Wayne may feel good he's getting huge radio play right now, I personally feel this is career suicide to make a song like this and have it be a hit. Similar to what Candy Shop did for 50 Cent, bubblegum bullsh*t does nothing but separate and polarize a rappers' fanbase. The very same fans who stabilized a rapper's hardcore base on the way up, become disassociated with the shallow, vanilla attempts at mainstream success. Coincidentally, the core audience retreats to another up-and-coming artists to feed their street hunger.

RIP to Wayne's career.

[khrys_x]

It says that a hot is a hot song, and that crying by the peanut gallary on the internet does not reflect reality...part of me agrees with the thread made the other day that said it was stupid for the Roots to second themselves in regards to that Babysitter (or whatever its called) song as a single based on the internet's response...if you're artist, do what you want to do...either people ride with you or not

[Eye Cue 182]

It says that a hot is a hot song, and that crying by the peanut gallary on the internet does not reflect reality...part of me agrees with the thread made the other day that said it was stupid for the Roots to second themselves in regards to that Babysitter (or whatever its called) song as a single based on the internet's response...if you're artist, do what you want to do...either people ride with you or not
A song being played on the radio makes it hot? :blink:

[Shut ya Face]

go suck a backpackers nut you whiny *****, no homo

[LiLo & Stitch]

damn...niccas is bitter...writing paragraphs and shyt

go get some money.....youll feel better

[TheVoice315]

n1ggas faces is scrunched up lol....let wayne do his numbers

[suburbanpimpin]

Well it sounds like you hating on the South, Since all the music from the region makes you feel dumber.


You seem smart so you know how the game works. For a first single you gotta have a club/dance song. I don't like that but its the way it works these days.

Rather than making thread about song thats wack in your opinion, why not make a thread about a song that is good and let us know why we should be listening to it?

[khrys_x]

A song being played on the radio makes it hot? :blink:
Naw, people liking and wanting to hear a song makes it hot...

[The Real]

N****s on the internet don't buy albums, so why should a rapper cater to what the internet wants when he can cater to another demographic that does? If cats on the internet were supporting good hip-hop artist by buying their music they wouldn't have to put out garbage to get sells.

[Mertbag]

you brought up 2 very different subjects, i'll try to answer them separately.

Lollipop is a hit:

It's getting radio play because of his gigantic fanbase that people on these boards try to deny or really don't see. I maintain that 98% of the requests and downloads are by Weezy fans and not random mainstream fans (a la Low, Timbaland songs, etc). I still believe this song will sink real fast, once those fans all have purchased the song, heard it enough, or more importantly, the next Weezy single hits. In fact, the song is so bad if Weezy dropped a legit single today, this song would all but disappear...because everyone would move to that one. Bottomline: It's Weezymania not the song.

Career Ender:

For most rappers it would be the end....but then again this guy was basically written off 5 years ago and he's still here bigger than ever, so we don't know for sure. But anybody who's followed trends over the years, which is pretty much everybody here, it's that you cannot become too popular and expect to stay at that level. For that reason, I fully expect a 50% return rate of fans from Carter 3 to his next release...even if the music is 10x better. No matter if he farts on the mic, or makes flawless music, C3 will be his biggest release of his career. The next album won't even be close saleswise.

Sorry other Weezy fans, but I still hate Lollipop that much it comes off in my messages.

[MRSOUTHLONDON]

:mad:

:yes: u :mad:

[GunShY]

dat crap is ........ crap

[Ca$hvilleTyrant]

Looks like its on the way to being just that. And despite the overall mediocre reception its received on the internet (and in the streets), the song appears to gaining major steam on the airwaves.
Does this mean something is wrong with us as human beings? What allows us to make this song break records that pop-icons like Beyonce and Mariah couldn't do themselves?
This strikes a nerve in me personally. For the first time in my adult life, I think I'm totally disconnected with the very same hip-hop generation I came up in. Just 8 years ago, no way would this song be a top-50 hit, let alone #1. Not to condemn the South, but I really feel dumber after listening to alot of their representative artists. They add nothing to the music scene legacy wise. Its like music is running in circles, and the fact a song like Lollipop is a hit perfectly reflects this premise.
So while Wayne may feel good he's getting huge radio play right now, I personally feel this is career suicide to make a song like this and have it be a hit. Similar to what Candy Shop did for 50 Cent, bubblegum bullsh*t does nothing but separate and polarize a rappers' fanbase. The very same fans who stabilized a rapper's hardcore base on the way up, become disassociated with the shallow, vanilla attempts at mainstream success. Coincidentally, the core audience retreats to another up-and-coming artists to feed their street hunger.
RIP to Wayne's career.

I really can't stand hip-hop elitists like you clowns anymore. I hate it to break it to you but there is more to hip-hop than introspective tracks or tracks talking about the streets. Remember hip-hop started in the clubs and thats its true roots. Lollipop is a club song PERIOD. Stop trying to hold artists to mediocre standards that you want. You can't blow sales-wise without dropping corny club tracks anyways and thats what the business is about. I expect the rest of Wayne's album to be HOT so a single like this won't make me any less enthusiastic.

BTW this track is actually good. Not much lyrically but music-wise its melodically great and catchy. And judging by its reception ALOT more people like it than hate it.

[The Real]

I really can't stand hip-hop elitists like you clowns anymore. I hate it to break it to you but there is more to hip-hop than introspective tracks or tracks talking about the streets. Remember hip-hop started in the clubs and thats its true roots. Lollipop is a club song PERIOD. Stop trying to hold artists to mediocre standards that you want. You can't blow sales-wise without dropping corny club tracks anyways and thats what the business is about. I expect the rest of Wayne's album to be HOT so a single like this won't make me any less enthusiastic.
BTW this track is actually good. Not much lyrically but music-wise its melodically great and catchy. And judging by its reception ALOT more people like it than hate it.

C/S

[NovelThug]

It don't say shiit about our society. It does, however, say that as far as the music industry is concerned, music plus shareholders do not mix. Quality music is gone ever since they tried to turn labels into factories. The business models do not bode well for each other.

[Mr.Sam]

Naw, people liking and wanting to hear a song makes it hot...

Hot in what sense? It makes it popular, but not necessarily "good music".

For the record, I enjoy the song.

[ChiTownStunna]

It just says that its a popular song...but lets see if that will reflect in record sales...cause all remember

Lean Back
This is why I'm Hot
Shawty

and a host of other songs that were slaying the airways but didn't do sh*t for the sales. Lil Wayne has yet to see Double Platinum on ANYTHING and the way sales are for hip hop now a days..if you ain't Kanye West Jay Z 50 you don't break platinum. If Wayne had dropped later year when his buzz was at a all time high he would have went gold out the gate now this dude will be lucky to see gold after 2 months

[Mertbag]

It just says that its a popular song...but lets see if that will reflect in record sales...cause all remember
Lean Back
This is why I'm Hot
Shawty
and a host of other songs that were slaying the airways but didn't do sh*t for the sales. Lil Wayne has yet to see Double Platinum on ANYTHING and the way sales are for hip hop now a days..if you ain't Kanye West Jay Z 50 you don't break platinum. If Wayne had dropped later year when his buzz was at a all time high he would have went gold out the gate now this dude will be lucky to see gold after 2 months

Tha Block is Hot was double, but that's not really relevant to 2008.

I also said in my ramble earlier, it's Lil Wayne that's getting spins not the song. Maybe not as good as 6-8 months ago, but a lot of you all are going to be surprised at what his numbers look like in May.

[detroit B]

first off...

Yall making it seem like a club song.....is just a club song.
Nah that aint the way it work b.
There are good club songs, OK club songs, and terrible club songs......
LOLLI fukkin POP fits in the terrible club song category.

[MRSOUTHLONDON]

first off...
Yall making it seem like a club song.....is just a club song.
Nah that aint the way it work b.
There are good club songs, OK club songs, and terrible club songs......
LOLLI fukkin POP fits in the terrible club song category.

As long as people love it i the club its a good club song..

If it gets the b1tches open its good.

i.e 50- candy shop.

smh @ b1tches getting happy when lollipop drops and you
:mad: in the corner.

:rolleyes: Dont worry the dj will drop some dmx just for youuuuu

[Insane Sony]

Looks like its on the way to being just that. And despite the overall mediocre reception its received on the internet (and in the streets), the song appears to gaining major steam on the airwaves.
Does this mean something is wrong with us as human beings? What allows us to make this song break records that pop-icons like Beyonce and Mariah couldn't do themselves?
This strikes a nerve in me personally. For the first time in my adult life, I think I'm totally disconnected with the very same hip-hop generation I came up in. Just 8 years ago, no way would this song be a top-50 hit, let alone #1. Not to condemn the South, but I really feel dumber after listening to alot of their representative artists. They add nothing to the music scene legacy wise. Its like music is running in circles, and the fact a song like Lollipop is a hit perfectly reflects this premise.
So while Wayne may feel good he's getting huge radio play right now, I personally feel this is career suicide to make a song like this and have it be a hit. Similar to what Candy Shop did for 50 Cent, bubblegum bullsh*t does nothing but separate and polarize a rappers' fanbase. The very same fans who stabilized a rapper's hardcore base on the way up, become disassociated with the shallow, vanilla attempts at mainstream success. Coincidentally, the core audience retreats to another up-and-coming artists to feed their street hunger.
RIP to Wayne's career.
bla bla bla i aint reading all that essays B
but to answer your thread question it means..
Weezy is da Bast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no homo b

[Eye Cue 182]

I really can't stand hip-hop elitists like you clowns anymore. I hate it to break it to you but there is more to hip-hop than introspective tracks or tracks talking about the streets. Remember hip-hop started in the clubs and thats its true roots. Lollipop is a club song PERIOD. Stop trying to hold artists to mediocre standards that you want. You can't blow sales-wise without dropping corny club tracks anyways and thats what the business is about. I expect the rest of Wayne's album to be HOT so a single like this won't make me any less enthusiastic.
BTW this track is actually good. Not much lyrically but music-wise its melodically great and catchy. And judging by its reception ALOT more people like it than hate it.
I don't care what type of song it is. What I do know is that this is the lead single to a very anticipated album, by fans and doubters of Wayne alike. You know this. I know this. And he knows this.

Yet he still releases a song titled 'Lollipop' as a single. :ohmy:

The thing that you need to understand is that the 'integrity' of this hiphop sh*t should always come first. If you're not furthering the art, then you really shouldn't be a part of it. That's what alot of you cats from the South don't understand. Cause when a song like Lollipop becomes a hit, other rappers think that's what is 'in', and soon after, you have countless copycat efforts on the radio airwaves.

After a few example like these, the trickle down effect on the overall quality music is IMMENSE. When a large segment of the current hiphop community clamor about the lack of music, what do you think they're talking about? They don't want backpack sh*t, they just want a product that they feel good about, and truly show the greatness of this art.

Sh*t like Lollipop shows the exact opposite. Its a short-sighted attempt to placate to an already contaminated market. If everyone else is doing it, then why not me, huh? I'm sure that's what Wayne was thinking with this garbage, nursery-rhyme fluff.

But you see, Wayne had the opportunity to come to the forefront as a lead figure of this hiphop scene. I repeat had, tho. The buzz and everything was there. But he f*cked up. IMO, the defining characteristic of ANY artist, regardless of musical style, is his commitment to chase greatness. Wayne just used the most important single of his life to further depreciate the art rather than further it.

Is this not obvious?

Do you find yourself challenged by Lollipop? Do you see the 'art' in that bullsh*t? If you can answer these questions with a 'yes', then you are apart of the problem. You cannot hold platform to call anybody an elitist if you answer yes to either of these questions. Because in order to label someone, you have to be grounded in reasonableness first.

[young north]

nikkas in the hood ain't feling the song because they thought it was dumb that he used the t-pain thingy, but they still like wayne

[Shut ya Face]

I don't care what type of song it is. What I do know is that this is the lead single to a very anticipated album, by fans and doubters of Wayne alike. You know this. I know this. And he knows this.
Yet he still releases a song titled 'Lollipop' as a single. :ohmy:
The thing that you need to understand is that the 'integrity' of this hiphop sh*t should always come first. If you're not furthering the art, then you really shouldn't be a part of it. That's what alot of you cats from the South don't understand. Cause when a song like Lollipop becomes a hit, other rappers think that's what is 'in', and soon after, you have countless copycat efforts on the radio airwaves.
After a few example like these, the trickle down effect on the overall quality music is IMMENSE. When a large segment of the current hiphop community clamor about the lack of music, what do you think they're talking about? They don't want backpack sh*t, they just want a product that they feel good about, and truly show the greatness of this art.
Sh*t like Lollipop shows the exact opposite. Its a short-sighted attempt to placate to an already contaminated market. If everyone else is doing it, then why not me, huh? I'm sure that's what Wayne was thinking with this garbage, nursery-rhyme fluff.
But you see, Wayne had the opportunity to come to the forefront as a lead figure of this hiphop scene. I repeat had, tho. The buzz and everything was there. But he f*cked up. IMO, the defining characteristic of ANY artist, regardless of musical style, is his commitment to chase greatness. Wayne just used the most important single of his life to further depreciate the art rather than further it.
Is this not obvious?
Do you find yourself challenged by Lollipop? Do you see the 'art' in that bullsh*t? If you can answer these questions with a 'yes', then you are apart of the problem. You cannot hold platform to call anybody an elitist if you answer yes to either of these questions. Because in order to label someone, you have to be grounded in reasonableness first.

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[Lawrence]

the question should b what has happend to society when an artist can't make a song for the ladies without some ugly fa9 at the back of the club mean muggin with his arms crossed like ''this is wack sh-t!!! wheres the atonyms and metaphors, where is the uplifiting message !!? wackk!!'' :thumbsdow

[The Real]

I don't care what type of song it is. What I do know is that this is the lead single to a very anticipated album, by fans and doubters of Wayne alike. You know this. I know this. And he knows this.
Yet he still releases a song titled 'Lollipop' as a single. :ohmy:
The thing that you need to understand is that the 'integrity' of this hiphop sh*t should always come first. If you're not furthering the art, then you really shouldn't be a part of it. That's what alot of you cats from the South don't understand. Cause when a song like Lollipop becomes a hit, other rappers think that's what is 'in', and soon after, you have countless copycat efforts on the radio airwaves.
After a few example like these, the trickle down effect on the overall quality music is IMMENSE. When a large segment of the current hiphop community clamor about the lack of music, what do you think they're talking about? They don't want backpack sh*t, they just want a product that they feel good about, and truly show the greatness of this art.
Sh*t like Lollipop shows the exact opposite. Its a short-sighted attempt to placate to an already contaminated market. If everyone else is doing it, then why not me, huh? I'm sure that's what Wayne was thinking with this garbage, nursery-rhyme fluff.
But you see, Wayne had the opportunity to come to the forefront as a lead figure of this hiphop scene. I repeat had, tho. The buzz and everything was there. But he f*cked up. IMO, the defining characteristic of ANY artist, regardless of musical style, is his commitment to chase greatness. Wayne just used the most important single of his life to further depreciate the art rather than further it.
Is this not obvious?
Do you find yourself challenged by Lollipop? Do you see the 'art' in that bullsh*t? If you can answer these questions with a 'yes', then you are apart of the problem. You cannot hold platform to call anybody an elitist if you answer yes to either of these questions. Because in order to label someone, you have to be grounded in reasonableness first.


Almost every rapper at some point has conformed to the norm instead of doing their own thing. It's like people forget the late 90's when 2 of hip-hop's greatest ever Jay and Nas were rocking shiny suits making club songs. They could have been original, but they wanted to make mainstream hits the same way Wayne does.

[khrys_x]

Hot in what sense? It makes it popular, but not necessarily "good music".

For the record, I enjoy the song.
Hot in the sense that the people that like it, think its hot...by and large, people think too much of their personal opinion...in the context of music (and particularly the music business), what I think is a hot song is just that...what I think, or in other words, a singular opinion...and what I personally think doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else...there is no dictionary definition as to what constitutes "good music", as it a matter of personal taste and as such completely subjective...what makes a song hot in regards to what's popping on the charts, is whether or not enough people like it...where all the other b.s. comes in, is when people are pretenious and for whatever reason believe that their personal opinion should trump all others

so the answer to threadstarters question is really "It says that a lot of people like a song that you don't like"...it which my response is basically "Big fukking deal, get over yourself...listen to whatever it is you prefer and shut up crying about it"

[PhlEagles36]

im sorry, the song is garbage, and i think wayne is 2 imo. younger generation just feel like Weezy is their artist that defines them, and they will dickride him to the fullest

[Just BlackAf]

It amazes me how deluded some of these Game fans can be. How can you be a Game fan and then look down on any other rapper....Thats all I got out of this thread

[gotti capone]

N****s on the internet don't buy albums, so why should a rapper cater to what the internet wants when he can cater to another demographic that does? If cats on the internet were supporting good hip-hop artist by buying their music they wouldn't have to put out garbage to get sells.


and this is the kliller part right here.

even when some underground rapper comes out with an album the internet goons are the first ones to go and download the entire album.

the same undrground music that they like is the same shyt they are destroying.


personally i like Lollipop. i think it's a catchy first single. at this point when i listen to hip hop, i almost dont give a damn when Hip Hop Head #1 thinks anymore. dudes out here are too touchy and too opinionated. this is the enviroment that we live in now. get money and fukk bytches. if you cant get with the program then leave.


that dude saounded like one of those ppl that curse all the time and cant stand to hear a rap song with a lot of cursing.

[Mr.Sam]

Hot in the sense that the people that like it, think its hot...by and large, people think too much of their personal opinion...in the context of music (and particularly the music business), what I think is a hot song is just that...what I think, or in other words, a singular opinion...and what I personally think doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else...there is no dictionary definition as to what constitutes "good music", as it a matter of personal taste and as such completely subjective...what makes a song hot in regards to what's popping on the charts, is whether or not enough people like it...where all the other b.s. comes in, is when people are pretenious and for whatever reason believe that their personal opinion should trump all others
so the answer to threadstarters question is really "It says that a lot of people like a song that you don't like"...it which my response is basically "Big fukking deal, get over yourself...listen to whatever it is you prefer and shut up crying about it"

Well, "good" music isn't necessarily all that subjective, there are elements that need to be followed for it to be "good" music. I don't think popularity qualifies something as "good", it just means it's popular. And popularity is hard to qualify as well, musically, because there could be just as many people who diss like "Lolipop" that like it (If not more), but it's liked in relation to the other songs readily available to the public.

[Obstical]

so the answer to threadstarters question is really "It says that a lot of people like a song that you don't like"...it which my response is basically "Big fukking deal, get over yourself...listen to whatever it is you prefer and shut up crying about it"

Word.

Also, LOL@dude who said "where's the antonyms?"

[DJ Mylie]

I don't care what type of song it is. What I do know is that this is the lead single to a very anticipated album, by fans and doubters of Wayne alike. You know this. I know this. And he knows this.
Yet he still releases a song titled 'Lollipop' as a single. :ohmy:
The thing that you need to understand is that the 'integrity' of this hiphop sh*t should always come first. If you're not furthering the art, then you really shouldn't be a part of it. That's what alot of you cats from the South don't understand. Cause when a song like Lollipop becomes a hit, other rappers think that's what is 'in', and soon after, you have countless copycat efforts on the radio airwaves.
After a few example like these, the trickle down effect on the overall quality music is IMMENSE. When a large segment of the current hiphop community clamor about the lack of music, what do you think they're talking about? They don't want backpack sh*t, they just want a product that they feel good about, and truly show the greatness of this art.
Sh*t like Lollipop shows the exact opposite. Its a short-sighted attempt to placate to an already contaminated market. If everyone else is doing it, then why not me, huh? I'm sure that's what Wayne was thinking with this garbage, nursery-rhyme fluff.
But you see, Wayne had the opportunity to come to the forefront as a lead figure of this hiphop scene. I repeat had, tho. The buzz and everything was there. But he f*cked up. IMO, the defining characteristic of ANY artist, regardless of musical style, is his commitment to chase greatness. Wayne just used the most important single of his life to further depreciate the art rather than further it.
Is this not obvious?
Do you find yourself challenged by Lollipop? Do you see the 'art' in that bullsh*t? If you can answer these questions with a 'yes', then you are apart of the problem. You cannot hold platform to call anybody an elitist if you answer yes to either of these questions. Because in order to label someone, you have to be grounded in reasonableness first.

:ohmy: I hope everyones reading this, nothin but truth.

[fundz]

Hot in the sense that the people that like it, think its hot...by and large, people think too much of their personal opinion...in the context of music (and particularly the music business), what I think is a hot song is just that...what I think, or in other words, a singular opinion...and what I personally think doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else...there is no dictionary definition as to what constitutes "good music", as it a matter of personal taste and as such completely subjective...what makes a song hot in regards to what's popping on the charts, is whether or not enough people like it...where all the other b.s. comes in, is when people are pretenious and for whatever reason believe that their personal opinion should trump all others
so the answer to threadstarters question is really "It says that a lot of people like a song that you don't like"...it which my response is basically "Big fukking deal, get over yourself...listen to whatever it is you prefer and shut up crying about it"

from an essentially "hip-hop" viewpoint, not pop(ular), not commercial, and away from all that radio-appeal bullsh!t... just strictly basic, elemental hip-hop standards as in sick lyrics and dope beats... would you consider Lollipop a good record? would you describe the lyrics esp. as tight or passable? I wanna know what you think...

[Eye Cue 182]

Hot in the sense that the people that like it, think its hot...by and large, people think too much of their personal opinion...in the context of music (and particularly the music business), what I think is a hot song is just that...what I think, or in other words, a singular opinion...and what I personally think doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else...there is no dictionary definition as to what constitutes "good music", as it a matter of personal taste and as such completely subjective...what makes a song hot in regards to what's popping on the charts, is whether or not enough people like it...where all the other b.s. comes in, is when people are pretenious and for whatever reason believe that their personal opinion should trump all others
so the answer to threadstarters question is really "It says that a lot of people like a song that you don't like"...it which my response is basically "Big fukking deal, get over yourself...listen to whatever it is you prefer and shut up crying about it"
Who is 'you'? You mean me or the COUNTLESS people who have called this song exactly what it is-- which is kindergarten dribble.

That's pretty much the consensus of this song. And the one's who vouch for the song don't really seem to like it personally. They just like the fact they THINK other people will like it.

Even in this thread, many don't exactly counter what I'm saying, instead they quote dumb sh*t like "its for the club" or "ladies get wide open for this". Sh*t, even you excused this trash by saying the song is hot because other people like it.

Again, I ask you who are those people? And when you define them, please state do you think a top artist should be marketing his music to them.

[Iron Man Production]

I wouln't care about that song if there was balance in the hip hop game.

Anyway, Lollipop ain't a rap song it's a pop song made by a rap artist.

I don't care that people like it, but to me it's some bubblegum, fruity @ss sh*t.

[HuSTLe314]

what most of you fail to realize is that its not about focusing on the people that dont like you or the songs you put out, but the ones that do. people know wayne is capable of much better, and most people are willing 2 give him the benefit of the doubt and still cop carter 3, becuz they expect it to be good, not great. lollipop is just his way of saying "the carter 3 is on the way". It may not be what you expected or the wayne you like, but its wayne nonetheless, its here, and its better just to accept it than overanalyze it.

[RawDro]

if niccas worry about hip hop this much, then I feel bad 4 u...

eye, u putting 2 much energy in this shyt..

[Sedd]

This song serves its purpose. On Friday night people are listening to this either in their crib getting ready to go out or in the ride. We all know these type of tracks don't have to be masterpieces. Something people can dance and drink to and get in a good mood.

[YaBoyMike969]

Who is 'you'? You mean me or the COUNTLESS people who have called this song exactly what it is-- which is kindergarten dribble.

That's pretty much the consensus of this song. And the one's who vouch for the song don't really seem to like it personally. They just like the fact they THINK other people will like it.

Even in this thread, many don't exactly counter what I'm saying, instead they quote dumb sh*t like "its for the club" or "ladies get wide open for this". Sh*t, even you excused this trash by saying the song is hot because other people like it.

Again, I ask you who are those people? And when you define them, please state do you think a top artist should be marketing his music to them.

Eye, look at the posts i this thread. It just shows people don't care about hip hop no more. If you think something is wack ur labeled a hater or a squre... These cats don't care about hip hop music no more. All this talk about how its for the club and "it gets the ladies open" shows how much they care about the music. They have no passion so they accept wackess... It's just gotten to the point where theres very few real hip hop heads less. We the last of dying breed dogg.

[RawDro]

Eye, look at the posts i this thread. It just shows people don't care about hip hop no more. If you think something is wack ur labeled a hater or a squre... These cats don't care about hip hop music no more. All this talk about how its for the club and "it gets the ladies open" shows how much they care about the music. They have no passion so they accept wackess... It's just gotten to the point where theres very few real hip hop heads less. We the last of dying breed dogg.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

its just a fukking song, that'll be played out next month...

devote your time 2 something more important...

plant a tree

[khrys_x]

Well, "good" music isn't necessarily all that subjective, there are elements that need to be followed for it to be "good" music.

Not really...it really is that subjective...there may be elements that need to be followed for it be "good" in your opinion...but whatever what elements you can possibly come up with might not mean a goddamned thing to the next person...and even if a person agrees that those elements are important, they may vastly disagree as to what constitutes an instance of said element being done well....just to keep it within the context of traditional hip hop, some people may believe that having a hot beat is of absolute importance while others don't care about beats at all and place a premium on hot lyrics and flow...and on that same token, two people may both be heavy into beats or lyrics but have two different concepts completely as to what "good" beats or lyrics are...one person can believe early RZA is the end all be all of "good" production, while the other could swear by contemporary Timbaland

rom an essentially "hip-hop" viewpoint, not pop(ular), not commercial, and away from all that radio-appeal bullsh!t... just strictly basic, elemental hip-hop standards as in sick lyrics and dope beats... would you consider Lollipop a good record? would you describe the lyrics esp. as tight or passable? I wanna know what you think...

If I were to judge the song by building some sort of rubric built on "elemental hip-hop standards" (whatever those may be) Lolipop would possibly get a zero...but then again, I would also think that'd be rather pointless and a bit silly seeing as though its not at an elemental hip hop song and was never intended to be...if your concept of what could possibly be a good song is confined within the limits of "elemental hip hop standards" (which is fine if those are the limits of your musical preference) I understand fully why you wouldn't like it or songs like it...I would just say that it should be fairly obvious that people don't like it for the same reasons that people like It Ain't Hard to Tell or Triumph...as its pretty clearly not that type of song, and more along the likes of Buy You a Drink or Sensual Seduction


Who is 'you'? You mean me or the COUNTLESS people who have called this song exactly what it is-- which is kindergarten dribble.

That's pretty much the consensus of this song. And the one's who vouch for the song don't really seem to like it personally. They just like the fact they THINK other people will like it.

Even in this thread, many don't exactly counter what I'm saying, instead they quote dumb sh*t like "its for the club" or "ladies get wide open for this". Sh*t, even you excused this trash by saying the song is hot because other people like it.

Again, I ask you who are those people? And when you define them, please state do you think a top artist should be marketing his music to them.

"You" is anybody that doesn't like the song, and you in particular since you posed the question...I personally like the song...people bring up "the club" and "ladies" because that is exactly the entire vibe and steez of the song...I personally think its a fun, slick ass track that I just personally dig...I like and appreciate the song for what it IS, and not for what its not...when I feel like hearing some "elemental hip hop", I got countless gigs worth of that at my disposal...if other people don't like the song, then they don't like it...its not as if everybody is obligated to like every song ever made...there's plenty of people that like sh!t that i personally hate, but at the end of the day what should it matter to me? Its just music

[SourHaze]

dudes out here are too opinionated. this is the enviroment that we live in now. get money and fukk bytches. if you cant get with the program then leave.
.
What a fuking clown.

[The Real]

Not really...it really is that subjective...there may be elements that need to be followed for it be "good" in your opinion...but whatever what elements you can possibly come up with might not mean a goddamned thing to the next person...and even if a person agrees that those elements are important, they may vastly disagree as to what constitutes an instance of said element being done well....just to keep it within the context of traditional hip hop, some people may believe that having a hot beat is of absolute importance while others don't care about beats at all and place a premium on hot lyrics and flow...and on that same token, two people may both be heavy into beats or lyrics but have two different concepts completely as to what "good" beats or lyrics are...one person can believe early RZA is the end all be all of "good" production, while the other could swear by contemporary Timbaland
If I were to judge the song by building some sort of rubric built on "elemental hip-hop standards" (whatever those may be) Lolipop would possibly get a zero...but then again, I would also think that'd be rather pointless and a bit silly seeing as though its not at an elemental hip hop song and was never intended to be...if your concept of what could possibly be a good song is confined within the limits of "elemental hip hop standards" (which is fine if those are the limits of your musical preference) I understand fully why you wouldn't like it or songs like it...I would just say that it should be fairly obvious that people don't like it for the same reasons that people like It Ain't Hard to Tell or Triumph...as its pretty clearly not that type of song, and more along the likes of Buy You a Drink or Sensual Seduction
"You" is anybody that doesn't like the song, and you in particular since you posed the question...I personally like the song...people bring up "the club" and "ladies" because that is exactly the entire vibe and steez of the song...I personally think its a fun, slick ass track that I just personally dig...I like and appreciate the song for what it IS, and not for what its not...when I feel like hearing some "elemental hip hop", I got countless gigs worth of that at my disposal...if other people don't like the song, then they don't like it...its not as if everybody is obligated to like every song ever made...there's plenty of people that like sh!t that i personally hate, but at the end of the day what should it matter to me? Its just music

C/S
You articulated everything I was thinking. There's a time and place for everything and Lollipop fits that laid back and fun vibe for me.

[sdonns12]

our society's got swag.

[yseJ]

it doesnt say anything. the society ate up bunch of garbage songs back in the day, as well as good ones.
I mean, for crying out loud, the no-talented, pasty psycho britney had like gazillion of hits

popularity of the song doesnt really represent anything about the society.

especially considering the fact that most people arent into music like that.
they listen to maybe couple of their favorite songs from their ipods when they go to work/go home, songs they picked up off radio.

casual listeners. they are not like sohh niccas or hip hop heads. they dont sit on soulseek/limewire downloading rare redman or wu shyt.

[Newport 100s]

Looks like its on the way to being just that. And despite the overall mediocre reception its received on the internet (and in the streets), the song appears to gaining major steam on the airwaves.
Does this mean something is wrong with us as human beings? What allows us to make this song break records that pop-icons like Beyonce and Mariah couldn't do themselves?
This strikes a nerve in me personally. For the first time in my adult life, I think I'm totally disconnected with the very same hip-hop generation I came up in. Just 8 years ago, no way would this song be a top-50 hit, let alone #1. Not to condemn the South, but I really feel dumber after listening to alot of their representative artists. They add nothing to the music scene legacy wise. Its like music is running in circles, and the fact a song like Lollipop is a hit perfectly reflects this premise.
So while Wayne may feel good he's getting huge radio play right now, I personally feel this is career suicide to make a song like this and have it be a hit. Similar to what Candy Shop did for 50 Cent, bubblegum bullsh*t does nothing but separate and polarize a rappers' fanbase. The very same fans who stabilized a rapper's hardcore base on the way up, become disassociated with the shallow, vanilla attempts at mainstream success. Coincidentally, the core audience retreats to another up-and-coming artists to feed their street hunger.
RIP to Wayne's career.
it says our society likes to get head you dumb fukka

[NotoriousHNIC]

He only fukked up his career by not releasing The Carter III last year

[dj khaled]

i think i dont like hip hop anymore :( sh1t is so wwe now and im only 20 and the only rappers i can listen to are jay-z lupe fiasco outkast kanye west common and a few others here and there but for the most part sh1t is really wack and depressing like i said in another thread pretty soon hip hop wont even be on the radio anymore. i feel disrespected by artist like wayne and 50 (sometimes) not to say there not talented but its like going to a resturaunt that has great meals on there menu but the cooks are lazy and make the food with no effort just cause they kno they have loyal customers and they still will get paid at the end of the week.......its similar to the effort they seem to put in there songs there just not creative at all to me lets analyze this for a second:

She say he so sweet make her wanna lick the wrapper
So I let her lick the rapper

shawty say i lo lo lo lo look like a lollipop (yeah)
shawty say i lo lo lo lo look like a lollipop (lollipop)
shawty say i lo lo lo lo look like a lollipop(yeah)
shawty say i look like a lollipop

CHORUS:
Shawty wanna thug
Bottles in the club
Shawty wanna hump
And ooh I like to touch ya lovely lady lumps
( Repeat 2x )

[Verse 1:Lil Wayne]
Okay, lil mama had a swag like mine
She even wear her hair down her back like mine
I make her feel right when its wrong i ain't lyin'
but Man, she ain't never had a love like mine
but man I ain't never seen an ass like hers
and that ***** in my mouth had me at a loss for words
Told her to back it up like berp berp
And make that ass jump like jerp jerp
And thats when she said
i lo lo look like a lollipop
(Ooh yeah I like that)
she say im like a lollipop
(Ooh yeah I like that)
she say im like a lollipop
(Ooh yeah I like that)
she say im like a lollipop lollipop
(Ooh yeah I like that)

CHORUS:
Shawty wanna thug
Bottles in the club
Shawty wanna hump
And ooh I like to touch ya lovely lady lumps
( Repeat 2x )


Verse 2:
OK AFTER U BACK IT UP DEN STOP DROP IT DOWN
DRA DROP IT LIKE ITS HOT
OOOOOOOOO
DROP IT LIKE ITS HOT
DO DO DO IT SHAWTY
DONT STOP
Shawty said the ***** that she with aint ****,
Shawty said the ***** that she with aint this,
Shawty said the ***** that she with cant hit.
WELL shawty I'mma hit it, hit it, like i cant miss
And I can't do this
And I don't do that
Shawty need a refund, needa bring that ***** back
Just like a refund, I make her bring that ass back
And she bring that ass back (Because I Like That)


CHORUS:
Shawty wanna thug (Yeah I like that)
Bottles in the club (Yeah I like that)
Shawty wanna hump
And ooh I like to touch ya lovely lady lumps

Shawty wanna lic-lic-lic-lick me like a lollipop
Shawty wanna lic-lic-lic-lick me like a lollipop (lollipop)
SHE SAY IM LIKE A LOLLPOP
Shawty lick the rapper

CHORUS:
Shawty wanna thug (Yeah I like that)
Bottles in the club (Yeah I like that)
Shawty wanna hump
And ooh I like to touch ya lovely lady lumps

Call me so I can make it juicy for ya
Call me so I can get it juicy for ya
Call me so I can make it juicy for ya
Call me so I can get it juicy for ya
Call me so I can make it juicy for ya
Call me so I can get it juicy for ya
Call me so I can make it juicy for ya
Call me so I can get it juicy for ya

Shawty wanna thug (Yeah I like that)
Bottles in the club (Yeah I like that)
Shawty wanna hump
And ooh I like to touch ya lovely lady lumps
(Repeat 2x)

I get her on top, She drop it like it's hot
And when I'm on the bottom, She like Hilary Rodham
The middle of the bed, give a ***** head, give a ***** head, give a ***** head
Call me so I can come and do it for ya
Call me so I can come and prove it for ya
Call me so I can make it juicy for ya
Call me so I can get it juicy for ya

Shawty wanna lic-lic-lic-lick me like a lollipop
Shawty wanna lic-lic-lic-lick me like a lollipop (lollipop)
Shawty wanna lick me, like a lollipop
Shawty lick the rapper

^^^^^^ all jokes aside a toddler could have wrote this song^^^^^^

[Lamel2g]

LOL @ some fukking 24/7 message board ass nicca talking about a song ain't hot. How do you know?? When is the last time you been a club or party?? I was at the spot last week and as soon as this song came on just about every b!tch in that joint hit the floor. The must've played this song about 4 or 5 times that night. Even the only 2 white b!tches in the club starting dancing when that sh!t dropped, I was grinding all up on some b!ches ass.

Just because a couple of you ugly fat Papoose mixtape downloading ass niccas don't like a song, doesn't mean that sh!t aint hot. And for the record the song is meh to me, but I can't deny that alot of people love it.